Ramsey had a really nice week at the Tarkanian classic as well
Sierra Canyon (CA) takes down Webster Groves (MO) in consolation play at the City of Palms. 2016 PG Devearl Ramsey had 13 pts & 6 assists.
— Jordan Divens (@HSHoopsElite) December 22, 2014
Devearl Ramsey has found the range in this game, has three deep balls. Sierra Canyon up 50-30 in 4th. #CityofPalms
— AllMetroHoops (@ehoopsshowcase) December 22, 2014
Man, Quentin Goodin is really coming out this year…really reminds me of Baron Davis. We have 4 options at PG…please let 1 take the bait
With U of L coach Rick Pitino watching, Taylor County's Quentin Goodin posted 32 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists and best dunk of career.
— Jason Frakes (@kyhighs) December 23, 2014
Pretty much Quentin Goodin dunked on the whole damn Doss team. That was vicious. Flexed to the crowd afterward. Doss guys covering faces
— Steve Jones (@SteveJones_CJ) December 23, 2014
QUENTIN GOODIN JUST DUNKED ON THE ENTIRE DOSS 5.
— Alex Davis (@KYPREPSAlex) December 23, 2014
Well, Thornton has already visited several times. I have a feeling he already knows what Michigan has to offer, and is just enjoying the process. AZ apparently is again out of his recruitment (per a friend of mine who is a huge AZ fan), and their people believe it is a UM, UK and Duke race. With Ulis and Briscoe at UK already, I think Duke is the biggest threat. Hopefully Smith commits there soon.
As far as your assessment of our talent, I see your points. Hardaway, to me, is an example of a system player who turned into the type of guy you describe, who can just ball on any court with any players or system. I think Irvin can turn into that, though he’s not there yet. Walton perhaps, too.
Two real wild cards are Chatman and Donnal. If Chatman can become a star, that would be huge. Hopefully he can, but obviously his development is going to take longer than anticipated. Donnal? The past two games have been a revelation (and, in that same vein, we need to sit Max completely IMO and get Donnal more touches).
I hear your point about supplemental pieces, and you may be right. With that said, guys like Novak, Douglas, and Morgan were supplemental pieces too, and we won a share of the Big Ten title in 2011/12 with them. Now, that team was no threat to win it all, but this team is longer and more athletic, so if it gets to that level (Big Ten title contender) in another year or two, a deep run could certainly happen.
We could really catch a break if Levert comes back next year. At this rate, he should. Of course, I said that about Glenn last year too and it didn’t matter.
I thought most here would take it as me knocking JB, so I’ve refrained from asking…but seriously, what the hell do you guys see in Caris Levert that would entice an NBA GM to utilize a first round pick on him? The kid is a good college player, but he is a below average finisher, has horrible shot selection, and cannot shoot off the bounce. As of right now, he’s a catch and shoot player in the league with a plus handle, average/slightly above average athlete.
That kid needs to stay another year.
I agree that Caris should stay another year, for many reasons I think that, but his shot selection is bad right now because the offense is bad right now. He is forcing things because he pretty much has to. The offense doesn’t have the fire power and talent that we have seen the last 2 years and it obviously is not even close to being as efficient as we have seen.
Caris no doubt has benefited from being around other great players and this team is still learning what it takes to be great. So until these guys get more experience, this is how it is going to be.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Caris’ numbers are pretty average at best by the end of the season, my feeling is that the bench is not deep enough for zak and caris to keep playing as much as they are…these kids will get tired legs and things could get ugly if nobody else can step up.
going to be a lot of ups and downs with this team this year from everything they have shown thus far.
seriously, what the hell do you guys see in Caris Levert that would entice an NBA GM to utilize a first round pick on him
I think Caris has underwhelmed a lot of people this year. That said, everyone that quotes/quoted him as a first rounder is using last year’s production and the historical trajectory of Beilein’s guards (Morris, Hardaway, Burke, Stauskas) to project him further. Obviously, this season actually playing out has brought additional data to the analysis.
But my point in writing is to request that you not make this into a Michigan homer thing like you did with Burke’s NBA prospects. EVERY mock draft out there had Caris in the first round (and most in the top half) before the season started. So everyone expected it…it’s not a maize and blue glasses issue.
seriously, what the hell do you guys see in Caris Levert that would entice an NBA GM to utilize a first round pick on himI think Caris has underwhelmed a lot of people this year. That said, everyone that quotes/quoted him as a first rounder is using last year’s production and the historical trajectory of Beilein’s guards (Morris, Hardaway, Burke, Stauskas) to project him further. Obviously, this season actually playing out has brought additional data to the analysis.
But my point in writing is to request that you not make this into a Michigan homer thing like you did with Burke’s NBA prospects. EVERY mock draft out there had Caris in the first round (and most in the top half) before the season started. So everyone expected it…it’s not a maize and blue glasses issue.
My apologies if it came off that way, not my intent at all. In fact, I was among the group that projected Caris as a first rounder (I never bought into the lottery pick hype though).
I just happened to reassess my opinion after seeing him as the #1 option on the team - see my 1/4 review. Not saying anyone was wrong, just asking if others feel the same way I do now - Caris simply isn’t 1st rd material in my view
Caris was unstoppable against NJIT, 25 second half points on the way to 32. He now has a thumb injury (don’t know when it happened, but it was taped for the SMU game for sure). As a consequence, his shot is way off, and his ball handling compromised. He’s way better than he’s looked the last few games. To early to decide his fate.
Caris didn’t all of a sudden forget how to play, or lose his abilities. I’ve also been wondering about how his injury was affecting his game, ( that was some massive wrap job for SMU ) or the severity of it. His deference lately is in direct contrast to that NJIT second half, and those incredibly tough buckets late against Villanova. The kid can play, and is thought of very highly by a lot of scouts. Don’t want to waste a lot of time on NBA evaluations, but Caris is gone guys.
One thing to think about when it comes to Levert, he is all about potential and that’s what most NBA teams are looking for late in the first round. He could be a guy sent down to the D-League for stretches during his rookie year. Marcus Smart, James Young, and Tyler Ennis are all 1st rounders that have been sent to the D-League so far this year (more have gone too, can’t think of other names).
As far as his decision goes, I think it’s a no-brainer to leave if you have a 1st round guarantee for a team. Hard to pass up several million dollars at any age, let alone a 20 year old. I believe he has a lot of Danny Green in him, even though Green was a 2nd round pick. It’s all about fit when it comes to having success early in a NBA career.
Everyone has a right to their opinion when it comes to Levert’s draft status. We have no idea what his family situation is like (maybe some of you do) and we don’t truly know what NBA teams think about it besides seeing what the mock drafts have for him. It’ll be interesting to see what he does. I think he should stay another year but I’m not him.
I think that he might stay to get his degree. He’s a different kind of cat.
One thing to think about when it comes to Levert, he is all about potential and that's what most NBA teams are looking for late in the first round. He could be a guy sent down to the D-League for stretches during his rookie year. Marcus Smart, James Young, and Tyler Ennis are all 1st rounders that have been sent to the D-League so far this year (more have gone too, can't think of other names).As far as his decision goes, I think it’s a no-brainer to leave if you have a 1st round guarantee for a team. Hard to pass up several million dollars at any age, let alone a 20 year old. I believe he has a lot of Danny Green in him, even though Green was a 2nd round pick. It’s all about fit when it comes to having success early in a NBA career.
Everyone has a right to their opinion when it comes to Levert’s draft status. We have no idea what his family situation is like (maybe some of you do) and we don’t truly know what NBA teams think about it besides seeing what the mock drafts have for him. It’ll be interesting to see what he does. I think he should stay another year but I’m not him.
Not seeing Danny Green comparison at all. Caris is much more dynamic with the ball in terms of handle and changing direction at the same age. Green was strictly catch and shoot, and still is. Caris should leave if guaranteed a 1st rd spot, but I think his stock is declining by the day similar to GR3
Even before the thumb injury I didn’t necessarily think he was first round worthy.
Even before the thumb injury I didn't necessarily think he was first round worthy.I think that depends on an honest evaluation of the difference between first round worthy and what players go in the first round. When you start looking at where he might get slotted, late first round, you're looking at good teams that want pieces to round out an already solid core. Do those teams gamble on freak athletes like the lottery guys? No, they go for solid system fits. I think Caris could be another in a long line of great fits for a team like SA. You don't think OKC will be looking for a better fit than Jeremy Lamb? Not sure Caris is that guy, but at least he's confident taking a dribble.
I see late first round value for a solid team, but I’d agree he’s not going to wow you into the lottery.
One thing to think about when it comes to Levert, he is all about potential and that's what most NBA teams are looking for late in the first round. He could be a guy sent down to the D-League for stretches during his rookie year. Marcus Smart, James Young, and Tyler Ennis are all 1st rounders that have been sent to the D-League so far this year (more have gone too, can't think of other names).As far as his decision goes, I think it’s a no-brainer to leave if you have a 1st round guarantee for a team. Hard to pass up several million dollars at any age, let alone a 20 year old. I believe he has a lot of Danny Green in him, even though Green was a 2nd round pick. It’s all about fit when it comes to having success early in a NBA career.
Everyone has a right to their opinion when it comes to Levert’s draft status. We have no idea what his family situation is like (maybe some of you do) and we don’t truly know what NBA teams think about it besides seeing what the mock drafts have for him. It’ll be interesting to see what he does. I think he should stay another year but I’m not him.
Not seeing Danny Green comparison at all. Caris is much more dynamic with the ball in terms of handle and changing direction at the same age. Green was strictly catch and shoot, and still is. Caris should leave if guaranteed a 1st rd spot, but I think his stock is declining by the day similar to GR3
Even before the thumb injury I didn’t necessarily think he was first round worthy.
Danny Green is also an elite defender, so he has that going for him.
One thing to think about when it comes to Levert, he is all about potential and that's what most NBA teams are looking for late in the first round. He could be a guy sent down to the D-League for stretches during his rookie year. Marcus Smart, James Young, and Tyler Ennis are all 1st rounders that have been sent to the D-League so far this year (more have gone too, can't think of other names).As far as his decision goes, I think it’s a no-brainer to leave if you have a 1st round guarantee for a team. Hard to pass up several million dollars at any age, let alone a 20 year old. I believe he has a lot of Danny Green in him, even though Green was a 2nd round pick. It’s all about fit when it comes to having success early in a NBA career.
Everyone has a right to their opinion when it comes to Levert’s draft status. We have no idea what his family situation is like (maybe some of you do) and we don’t truly know what NBA teams think about it besides seeing what the mock drafts have for him. It’ll be interesting to see what he does. I think he should stay another year but I’m not him.
Not seeing Danny Green comparison at all. Caris is much more dynamic with the ball in terms of handle and changing direction at the same age. Green was strictly catch and shoot, and still is. Caris should leave if guaranteed a 1st rd spot, but I think his stock is declining by the day similar to GR3
Even before the thumb injury I didn’t necessarily think he was first round worthy.
Danny Green is also an elite defender, so he has that going for him.
Danny Green is an elite defender now, he was cut from SA twice for his lack of defense per Pop. Green wasn’t an elite defender at the same age.
New Film on Goodin going off for 32
Not trying to pound my head against the wall but here is why I gave a Danny Green comparison. Green was actually pretty dynamic with the ball his later years at UNC (he was surrounded with a bunch of NBA guys in Lawson, Ellington, and Hansborough) and played some PG for his HS team. Like MattD said, Green wasn’t exactly an elite defender in college but became one after completely buying in for the Spurs.
I could see him becoming a 3andD guy, which is what the new NBA has become with all the analytic study going on. The knock, until proven otherwise, will be his strength.
REALLY hard to envision Caris ever being an above average defender in the NBA. His lateral agility is average, and as you say, he simply doesn’t have the pure mass or strength to body up an NBA player. His best attribute for defensive purposes is jumping passing lanes. The thing Caris can do to really up his stock is shooting off the bounce. Because from what I can see, those Jamal Craword comparisons (I think this was G) don’t hold much weight, if any. Caris is pretty a subpar shooter off the bounce, and lacks the elite change of direction/handle that Crawford had at the same age.
Caris probably should stay another year but kids in that situation rarely do. There will be enough people telling him he has a first round grade that he will be gone no matter what.
In another news, wtf is Bao Feng and why has it taken over the forum?
Yeah…for those complaining about me being redudant…well there is the alternative!