The coaches have already said, this year, as they went through the NBA evaluation process with Nik, Glenn and Mitch, “Next year we’ll be doing this with Caris.” They know he’s gone.
Irvin is not going to play the three this year and then switch positions in 2015 for no apparent reason.
Dawkins will probably play the three, and maybe some four. He doesn’t have the handle for the two. And I sure don’t see Wilson playing anything but the four.
Ellis and Bess were both higher regarded recruits than MAAR and Ellis will have a year of starting (this coming year) under his belt.
I feel pretty confident the coaches are going to be (rightfully) telling Harris the starting two spot will be his if he plays like we think he is capable of playing. Not to mention we have a great offense for him to play in, and by then likely an exceptional PG in Walton, while MSU has no idea what it’s PG situation will be (Nairn, presumably?).
When you have to explain that much, it isn’t good.
Izzo: Your only competition is 3 * Bess and 3 * Ellis and one of them is starting at the 3. We will put you in a Gary Harris role getting 15 shots per game.
I do not understand all of the negativity here regarding our prospects with Harris and Coleman. I get it with Brunson to some extent, but doesn’t Harris have us in his top three and wants to visit? Haven’t we been a player for Coleman all along and hasn’t he been quiet all along on his leanings? I’m not sure what’s changed or why someone would make a statement suggesting all three might land at MSU. I don’t see a compelling argument anywhere in this thread on how playing time is more available at MSU than at Michigan. Perhaps LAWolverine is right and this is just an excuse to criticize the Dawkins and MAAR signings prematurely.
Sometimes you have to view the pros and cons from their viewpoint.
Purdue = close to home and he’d be their best player
MSU = easier path to start at a great program. MSU simply does not have the same caliber of guards and wings.
UM= guard development, offense and JB’s WVU connection
I remember when people were mad when I said Brunson was trending elsewhere. Unless someone wants to explain how Harris has a clear path, I’d say depth doesn’t work in our favor. Quite a few other things do work in our favor, but MSU is definite;y depleted.
Agree the coaching angle should be an edge to us. If Harris didn’t like Huggins’ coaching style I’m not sure he will love Izzo’s either. I actually think there is a much higher possibility of him choosing Purdue over us than MSU over us.
Guestavo, what you say regarding depth and playing time @msu compared to @michigan is your opinion, it’s not a fact because you say so. I agree our guards/wings may be better, but MSU typically has less PT available for guards/wings because they typically play a bigger lineup than we do. Plus Many people believe Caris will be gone after this season. Couldn’t Harris reasonably start along with Walton, Irvin, Chatman, and Donnal if Caris goes pro after next season? Dawkins won’t play his position and he may look at MAAR and feel he can beat him out just as you assume he will do with Bess and Ellis.
With Brunson there was a lot of evidence that it was trending elsewhere, I’m not seeing that yet with Harris or Coleman.
Sometimes you have to view the pros and cons from their viewpoint.
Purdue = close to home and he’d be their best player
MSU = easier path to start at a great program. MSU simply does not have the same caliber of guards and wings.
UM= guard development, offense and JB’s WVU connection
I remember when people were mad when I said Brunson was trending elsewhere. Unless someone wants to explain how Harris has a clear path, I’d say depth doesn’t work in our favor. Quite a few other things do work in our favor, but MSU is definite;y depleted.
If you are truly looking at it from his viewpoint, he will see Caris likely moving on after next season - the only established player at his position on the roster. I doubt that he’s worried about MAAR. Ellis would be a bigger worry as a third year player who will likely get a lot of run this coming season. Our use of wings and Beilein’s less caustic coaching style would also be appealing if he is chafing at Huggy’s style.
But from Harris’ perspective, isn’t he taking a HUGE leap in faith that Caris will leave? It took a full season for most UM fans to believe Caris had 1st rd potential and some still say he is a 4 year guy. Remember, he KNOWS Gary Harris’ spot is available.
As far as MAAR, I think JB and staffs ability to turn marginal prospects into pros makes it much more intimidating than Bess or Ellis at MSU with Izzo and Stephens. Heck, Wilson is liable to blow up.
But from Harris' perspective, isn't he taking a HUGE leap in faith that Caris will leave? It took a full season for most UM fans to believe Caris had 1st rd potential and some still say he is a 4 year guy. Remember, he KNOWS Gary Harris' spot is available.
As far as MAAR, I think JB and staffs ability to turn marginal prospects into pros makes it much more intimidating than Bess or Ellis at MSU with Izzo and Stephens. Heck, Wilson is liable to blow up.
Walton
Irvin
Chatman
Wilson
Donnal
isn’t a farfetched scenario.
I wouldn’t call it a “HUGE” leap of faith. We’ve had 5 guys leave early in the last two years. Caris is our leading returning scorer. I think that it’s much more likely than not that he leaves after next season. You also have to factor Valentine into the equation at MSU. He has been a 2/3 for them.
Geeez, there are so many variables for these kids. They all want to play in their first year but UM’s team is deep and experienced. It’s a lot of pressure for the guard’s because JB and staff really emphasize ball control and decision making. The system and culture might be one of the toughest in the country for first year guards. They need to have the rock on a string and be able to manage the PNR. Pretty tough if you expect to step in and play…the kids they have now will definitely be better next year!
This is a guard factory now…with first rounders lined up. I think the staff is hedging a bit and preparing for departures. The kids are leaving early and after the last two years they need the pipe filled. If they get to another final eight, who will get lead the team, and who will leave? Lavert, Walton, Irvin…or one of the Fresh blow up. Maybe its a pipe dream but I almost expect it!
If you guys are confused what do you think its like for the recruits? If you’re a top guard you gotta have UM on the list…its money in the bank if you put in the time and effort!
Caris put his name in for feedback from the draft advisory committee this year and is in the first round of every single mock draft for 2015, it seems like. Like anything, if you want to view the likelihood of his departure in an unfavorable light to Michigan, you can.
Michigan has a very good pitch for 2015 two-guards or combos - or PGs in my view. Might other schools too? Sure. Are we going to land every single guy on our board? No. There are ifs and buts for every school.
We have good reason to believe UM will land an excellent guard for 2015.
Stop it already, You yourself say youve only seen the kid twice. I now believe youre in the know with Eric Davis somehow and came on the board to ruffle feathers knowing he was about to be offered, I guess to get some type of response. The kid is a 2015 prospect with room to grow. He has plenty of time to reach the potential they see in his game. He may not be done growing both skill and height/weight wise.
We must have struck out with a lot of kids to offer Davis.
Congrats on the offer Davis. If you do commit, I hope you spend your entire career knocking down jumpers in my eye!
Caris put his name in for feedback from the draft advisory committee this year and is in the first round of every single mock draft for 2015, it seems like. Like anything, if you want to view the likelihood of his departure in an unfavorable light to Michigan, you can.
Except I was one of the few high on Caris’ NBA prospects when certain people were saying it was crazy. Oh the irony.
If I’m Harris, I assume the worst for each situation/team and hope for the best with my 2 years of eligibility.
...taking a HUGE leap in faith that Caris will leave ...As far as MAAR, I think JB and staffs ability to turn marginal prospects into pros makes it much more intimidating than Bess or Ellis at MSU with Izzo and Stephens. Heck, Wilson is liable to blow up.
I don't see how you can reasonably have both opinions. I don't know what Caris will do, but if I were a betting man, I'd be betting heavy that he goes pro. Also, if Harris doesn't think he can beat out Abdur-Rahkman for playing time, then I'm not sure we really want him.