Detroit Pistons & NBA Talk (Part 2)

35 would be incredible for him. 30 would still be awesome in Year 2.

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LA Clippers roster

Harden 36
Leonard 34
Batum 37
Lopez 37
Bogdanovic 33
Beal 32
Paul 40

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23% on 2 3PA isn’t much to go off from tbh. He doesn’t have the confidence to shoot 3s unless he’s wide open.

An increase in 3PA would be more meaningful for him. So far in a limited sample size, he has increased his 3PA which is a good thing. I think 30 is the minimum expectation for Ron but I think he is capable of being an average shooter.

almost as good as James Bouknight, you say

(my firm opinion is that SL doesn’t matter unless a guy goes completely belly up. Like, it’s better that Holland did well than badly obviously)

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the level of play is like definitionally NBA replacement level so yeah that’s exactly who will be at the top of the list. nobody is like “wow you were good in college where the best player is Johni Broome. fart noise” Holland is the age of a typical OAD this year and significantly outperformed his age peers.

we know that being good for the level means a lot but that SL is vv small sample so the things to look for are defense and play style bc see above.

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my argument is NOT that Holland will not be good

my argument is that a list topped by AJ LAwson, Gabe Madsen, and James Bouknight wouldn’t be the list I’d use to suggest he will be, it’s almost definitionally noise. There are…maybe 3 rotation players on that list? (Holland, Filipowski, Shannon). McNeeley maybe?

Like, the list sort of invalidates it’s utility, it would be like showing me an all-in-one stat that says Cody Williams was the best player in the NBA. IE - if you’re using something to tell me a guy is going to be a good NBA player, AJ Lawson better not be the #1 guy (I have no idea who AJ Lawson is, I apologize AJ)

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like I said, who else would it be? the player set is replev randos. already made various caveats about sample. not claiming it is very important. am claiming it means more than 0 bc we demonstrated upthread that there’s correlation in SL play and next NBA season.

I’m hoping that he’s at least at 33% but 30% would be progress. He had a streak during his rookie year where he was something like 0-22. Prior to that, he was somewhere around 30%.

As for FT’s, he did shoot 75% as a rookie, so that wasn’t much of an issue. If he gets up to 80%, that would be great. It seems like he could draw a lot of fouls if the ball’s in his hands more.

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Those numbers are games played? :wink:

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This is called moneyball.

Holland made one of Hollinger’s “top good for summer league” list along with Filipowski, Shannon, Ajay Mitchell, and Jaylon Tyson:

Not shockingly, all are 2nd year guys coming off rotation minutes

Ron Holland Jr., Detroit Pistons: The 7-for-15 shooting from 3 may or may not be a small-sample fluke, but the rest of his stat sheet was men-among-boys stuff. Holland poked 12 steals and garnered 26 free-throw attempts in just three games for a fun, spicy Detroit outfit.

Tulu Smith also is mentioned as an “under the radar guy to watch”

Some fun other things:

While he notes Filipowski did play well, he mentions that part of it is the lack of a foul-out, noting that Flip committed 8 personals TWICE.

His “Rookies Who Shined”: Flagg, Kneuppel, Edgecombe, Nique Clifford, and…Brooks Barnhizer! (declaring him “the best second round pick in Vegas”) - he had 27 stocks in 8 games and rebounded 12.5% of misses. Suggested Brooks may be a usable “glue guy” now (Thunder keep winning)

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Not totally sure where to put this. Interesting I think.

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He already is running DraftExpress. He’s just leaving ESPN.

What is this clarifying for whom?