Continuing the discussion from Detroit Pistons & NBA Talk (Part 1) - #10056 by Guest.
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I was replying to you on the Celtics with the 2nd apron before we broke this topic lol.
Sham and Windy pretty much said the Celtics won’t keep the team together for this reason.
Mgl is right that the goofiest part by far is connecting salaries to all nba. It’s a backwards system
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Right
“Congratulations on drafting a player who is 2nd team all NBA at age 23 and for trading three late firsts for Donovan Mitchell! You can no longer keep your team together.”
It works fine as long as you don’t also have the ridiculous 2nd apron penalties
The easy solution is to allow salary cap relief if you draft well and have a great young core. It’s punishing teams who draft well and can’t keep them all due to the apron rule.
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IMO, the NBA is weirdly setup because the contracts are rigid but now it’s moved closer to an almost NFL style hard cap with the second apron.
NFL makes the hard cap work by making roster management extremely easy/flexible
NFL doesn’t have 100% fully guaranteed contract (aside from that rapist) which makes it easier for them to manipulate the contract number to fit the cap space like void years, escalating contracts, etc. NBA is 100% guaranteed which makes it rigid.
The max model is really what screws the nba up if the second apron is going be treated like a hard cap
We did it guys, we broke the forum!
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Yeah some world where a Mobley/Cade extension doesn’t apply into the apron or something, idk, the nerds can figure it out
I think the max contract model causes a different problem. It messes with the parity since the best players in the world will always be underpaid, unlike the NFL.
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It’ll be an interesting off-season for the Pistons.
Sounds like there are a lot of fans want to give Schroeder the bag, but would he want to be the 3rd PG on the roster? Cade and Ivey will get the majority of the touches. I get push back by the fans on this one. Schroeder was traded to be the Ivey replacement this season because they don’t have an another ball handler outside of Cade. I know some fans point to Ausar, but his handle isn’t where it needed to be to play in the playoff. It was an essentially freebie trade by Langdon to get Dennis.
I’m just curious what does “giving Denis the bag” entail in terms of dollars
Like 16-20 mil per
Oh lord no
Exactly. Is Dennis content on being the 3rd PG on the team? My guess is most likely not.
I think Beasley is far more likely to be back than Schroeder. Beasley has a defined role for next season.
The Pistons don’t have more than 17 in salary cap and there is no world where they give it all to Schroder
they could sign someone with the cap space, and then retain Schroder, so thats not the issue as much as “that’s too much to pay Schroder”
I also think they no longer have cap space since Cade got a $9 million raise for next year over the weekend
edit: They’re under $10 mil if they renounce their bird rights on Schroder, Hardaway, Beasley, Reed, and Waters, which I would not expect them to do (they’re also likely going to have to extend Ivey and Duren this season)