If Kam could be a starting caliber guy at the 4, or even a regular rotation backup it would be a huge boost for next year, but I just can’t convince myself that he can make that leap, based on his complete lack of improvement this year. I’m just not sure what the people who say that he’s grown or that the game serms to be slowing down for him are watching. By this point in his career, we should be seeing measurable statistical improvement in his performance, not just subtle improvements in how he moves his feet or gets his shot off. Two years is a very long time in college basketball
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The best thing for this program is for Kam to transfer. There’s no improvement anywhere in his game and people who claim there is, are lying to themselves.
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I don’t disagree. People tend to hold out unreasonable hope for him because he’s probably the one guy on the roster who COULD have been a lot better in the way we really need, but at this point, the chance that he WILL be is miniscule.
It’s what I call the Devin Gardner theory
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I was one that really wanted him gone and I think he’s slow and unathletic, but personally I believe he has improved over the year. I’ve said before I’d like to see him starting at the 4. I know it’s not the popular opinion but I think he’s a good piece for this team.
If I had to pick a transfer, there are at least 2 other guys I would pick before Kam…
Not entirely fair to Gardner. His hype was based, in part, on actual performance in real college games. He played quite well in 2012 after Denard was injured (and the stats bear that out, without the benefit of padding them against non-conference cupcakes). The problem was that he regressed horribly over the next 2 seasons.
Chatman’s hype is based on high school recruiting rankings. Terry Richardson, or maybe even Derrick Green, would be a better comparison.
I agree that Kam is down the list of players I would like to see transfer, but he’s still on that list.
We desperately need an athletic 4 on this roster. There has to be a grad transfer out there somewhere that can fit the bill. That’s the difference between being a bubble team amd Make a run in the tournament team.
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You do realize Devin Gardner was the number 1 ranked Dual threat QB and a 5 star right??
Let me explain the theory because it feeds into your post. Devin was not a good QB at Michigan. Fans wanted him to be good no matter what. They looked at any little thing to point to for his so called improvement. Whether it was beating up on a crap opponent, getting a new OC/scheme, blaming the OL play, to even saying how much better he would of been with Harbaugh. The fact was he just wasn’t very good. He wasn’t going to get better.
The above to me is Kam Chatman and others. We can change the coaches, the scheme, some players around them but in the end he just isn’t very good and
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In his first half-year as a starter (one in which he was not even taking practice reps as a QB), he posted the following stat lines over the 5 games be started:
75/126 (60%) for 1219 yards (244 per game) with 11 TDs and 5 ints. He also rushed for 101 yards (but that includes sacks) and 7 TDs. His passer rating was 161.7
Extrapolated over a 13-game season (and not even adjusting the numbers to consider the non-conference cupcakes), those numbers would be 3170 yards passing, 27 passing touchdowns, 13 ints, and 18 rushing touchdowns.
Those numbers are better than Connor Cook’s best season.
He didn’t make 3 promising plays in a season like Chatman. He played like a legitimate first day draft pick for half a season. The comparison is invalid.
My point, after that long-winded post, is that people hyped up Gardner because he actually performed well on the field against college competition despite practicing at receiver up until a week before his first start. Chatman has never done that.
I can’t take you seriously. Your argument is based on adjusted stats!! That is straight comical.
The fact is everyone thought DG was going to improve at every turn and gave every reason why.
It never happened and in fact like you said he regressed! You know why because he just wasn’t a very good QB. And you how I know because the ball continually ended up in the opposing teams hands.
He was hyped because fans hyped him. You don’t see the same thing with Chatman and others??
Gardner lead the nation in QBR in 2012 (higher than Johnny Manziel: his heisman year). He was literally the best QB in the nation over the second half of that season. In 2013 he still was VERY good despite getting pressured nearly every play. He’s the only reason UM won a single game that year. Obviously he was bad in 2014, but by watching him and his footwork, the lack of zip on his throws, etc (as well as insider rumors), it seems apparent that he never fully recovered from the broken foot he suffered in the OSU game.
Gardner did not fail because he was bad and was never hyped unfairly. He was a great player and talent who was failed by his team and football coach. Not a good comparison at all.
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Reegs you made me throw up! He is one of the worst Michigan QBs in my lifetime. Only reason he played is because there was no one else!! Guy couldn’t read a defense. You saw what happened this year with competent QB play.
This is basketball forum so I’m dropping it now
This is not a comparison. In fact Reegs you proved some of the theory.
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Can we stop comparing qb to Kam chatman. There is nothing to compare between the two!
No. My argument is based on actual stats and the actual eye test for the 5 games be played against big ten competition and South Carolina in the bowl game. That is not so small of a sample size as to be irrelevant. The extrapolated numbers help only for comparison’s sake. I didn’t think it was that hard to comprehend.
And yes, most people thought he would improve. That was a reasonable belief based, in part, on the fact that he put up good numbers while practicing as a WR for half the year.
Even if he didn’t improve and remained completely stagnant, he would have been a very good QB (again, the extrapolated numbers based off of a decent sample size help for comparison). No would ever predicts extreme regression, which is what happened.
Chatman doesn’t have half a season’s worth of good to very good play to validate the hype. He doesn’t even have a full game’s worth of good play. He has a few good plays over 2 seasons. I don’t think the 2 are similar at all.
It’s a theory on improvement!! I can already see the same thing that happened with Devin happen with other Michigan basketball players! There will always be someone, similar to yourself, giving those stats/excuses on why he didn’t happen!
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Your reading comprehension skills are still in need of some work.
What part of “even if he didn’t improve and remained completely stagnant, he would have been a very good QB” did you not understand?
I have not given one excuse as to why it didn’t happen. I merely pointed out that your comparison was a bad one, and you’ve since scrambled to create straw men to create the illusion that you are making a reasonable argument.
in the end Alum like I said before we are a world apart on Michigan sports. Everything you believe I can guarantee I believe the opposite.
People on this board understood exactly what I was saying.
And to further my theory I think Duncan Robinson will fit into my Decin Gardner theory as will others.
I would not be surprised to see Simpson get significantly more than 5-6 minutes per game.
No, I just think you are prone to extreme hyperbole and apples-to-oranges comparisons that only you think make sense.
Do you think Devin Gardner played well at QB during 2012?
Do you think Kam Chatman has ever played well at Michigan?