Michigan Players in the NBA

Jett would fit in nicely with the OTE team if he came out of HS /duck.

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IMHO he was actually a pretty good creator for others at Nightrydas. The D obviously never looked very good at any pre-pro stop. But I do wonder if there was a specific re-direction once he got to Michigan.

Realistically the ball hasn’t gone in enough to make anything else matter since the athletic tools didn’t give him a high baseline. Also really goes to show just how hard it is to make shots in the league.

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This discussion makes me wonder how Jace will fare at Fordham this year LOL

Yeah I’m trying to remember how many shots he took at Nichigan that were catch/shoot and coming off screens vs cooking with the ball in his hands. Because as a pro he’s basically just a spot up guy, and guys who shoot 36% with their feet set are easy to find unfortunately

I know you are joking but it looks like he played 8 minutes in their scrimage agianst Temple.

Temple won 91-60.

Jace had 1 point, 4 boards, 1 block and a foul in 8 minutes. Went 1-of-2 at the line and 0-of-1 from three. So, going by the minutes breakdown the 10th-ish man.

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Having two college-age sons that could not be more different from each other despite sharing a bunk bed their entire life - it is always amazing to me how kids can turn out. Jett is a very flawed but Uber talented basketball player who likely will go light up the G League for years. Jace has hardly any real skill but quietly grinds away and may end up a good coach someday.

I thought the hope for Jett in the NBA might be to turn himself into a pure shooter instead of an iso player - the Duncan role of you will. But he hasn’t done that well as a shooter. I thought maybe he could figure out how to have THJs career since he probably has the raw tools to do that. But you have to make baskets regularly to offset other limitations and he’s never done that. Hope he figures it out and gets another shot somewhere.

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Do Dylan’s comment about winning basketball, I think there were some parallels to early Manny Harris there too. Manny had a bunch of skill and fancied himself a pro, but didn’t do a lot of the little things. Beilein got a good season out of him.

There were a couple guys in the late Fisher era I used to grumble about with the ā€œwinning playsā€ narrative too. But Jett was unique.

Three seasons under Beilein, FWIW. Obviously the third was messy. Manny was a hooper, I don’t put him in the same category at all. He carried U-M back to the tournament on a roster that was woefully under talented.

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I know it was three….I meant it was one good one. :wink:

Gotcha, not really sure where the comp comes from though. Manny was a jack-of-all-trades player who had a pretty substantial game.

The chemistry was off on the 2010 team and he had the hamstring issue, but he was a winning player in my book.

The frostbite thing is still one of the most frustrating way to see someone’s pro career disrupted too.

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don’t know how i never knew about this but reading about it now. crazy

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I have never heard this

He got into the cryo chamber in wet socks. This resulted in a terrible freeze burn. Due to the lockout, Harris was not allowed to be treated by the team doctor but left to take care of it on his own. The healing process reportedly didn’t go as planned, and Harris was kept from competing for a job during training camp because of the setback.

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Yeah, it’s almost kind of a miracle that Michigan made it to the NCAA when you look at their roster and who’s getting minutes. Manny was the #1 option with Peedi as the #2 option.

A throwback

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17, 12, and a block for Moussa in a win over the Jazz tonight.

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Danny Wolf made his NBA debut tonight!

In 4 minutes he went 0-1 with a rebound and 2 dimes.

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OK, our (my?) 2-week roundup.

Vlad Goldin has been on the Heat’s active roster twice this year, DNP’ing both times.

Danny Wolf started the year with an ankle injury, but entered the game in garbage time in their latest game, playing 3 minutes, missing a shot, making free throw, grabbing 1 board and 3 assists. Despire having 3 active rookie first round picks on their active roster for the whole season, the only one getting rotation mintues is Egor Demin, with Ben Saraf and Nolan Traore only getting blow-out garbage minutes, so their doesn’t seem to be significant impetus behind just playing the rookies. Obviously, Wolf is still a question mark there - his limited time and garbage entry time could be a result of it being his first game back and nothing more. We’ll see!

Moussa Diabate has not, as I had anticipated, been the Hornets’ starting center - that honor has gone to Ryan Kalkbrenner, who has shot 83% from the floor. That said, Moussa had done well - a 10/7 in 20 minutes across all 8 games, with basically an even split between offensive and defensive rebounds. His ORB% of 19% is not quite as high as last year, but still really strong. He’s also block a shot per game. The Hornets - who have somewhat surprisingly not been an abject disaster - have been slightly better with him on the floor than without, and, despite his reputation, the benefit has actually come offensively (its the offensive rebounds). This is going well!

Caleb Houstan has played 3 games and amassed a Trillion in each. I’m riveted to see how this streak continues. (he doesn’t appear to be in their plans)

Kobe Bufkin is still a free agent. Will drop him from the recap going forward until there is something to say.

Jett Howard remains out of the rotation for a team that, still, badly needs the theory of what Jett is. The Magic are still 28th in 3 point volume and 21st in 3 point % - they are 29th in 3 point makes this year, and sit at 3-5, a wildly disappointing start. Despite that, 5 of Jett’s 6 appearances have been garbage time (the 6th, a three minute spell in a competitive loss to Atlanta). He’s 3/10 from the floor and 3/9 from 3. He has 2 rebounds and 3 assists in 31 total minutes.

As I said, the Magic are off to a poor start, but hard to find much fault with Franz Wagner, the addition of Desmond Bane has seen his usage and assists drop somewhat, but I don’t think he’s a 31% usage player anyway. The good news is the shooting - he’s at 60% true shooting so far, driven by two main factors. First, his shot distribution has shifted a bit more inside, with 33% of his shots coming at the rim vs. 21% last year - his finishing here is still fantastic, over 70%. Second, the drops in location have come at all other levels, but the largest is 3s and 10-16 feet. Cutting 10-16 foot shots is probably indicative of a generally more functional offense, but the three point drop of nearly 2 attempts per game has been accompanied by a jump in accuracy (in this small sample) from 29% to 39%. At the end of the day, he’s making as many per game as last year, just shooting 2 less. The bigger question here is ā€œwhat is wrong with this teamā€, but I don’t think it’s him.

I have not had the ā€œprivelegeā€ of seeing the Pelicans play, but I have seen Jordan Poole’s play and shot selection described, in three different sources, as ā€œgrotesqueā€, ā€œa carnivalā€, and ā€œabsurdā€. So after last year’s return to seriousness, that’s a bit disappointing to hear. He’s shooting 35% from the floor, 33% from 3, and his assist rate sits currently at a career low (turnovers - his other normal problem, have been somewhat in check). The other positive here is that he’s close to his career high free-throw rate, where he remains about the best shooter in the league. His three-point rate is extremely high, and that’s dragging his shooting down somewhat, so I’m less concerned there, the challenge is the two’s, and if you’ve been reading me ramble here the past few seasons, you may recall that his two-point shooting is far more his swing skill between offensive quality and being nightmarish than anything else. In his awful rookie season, he was under 40% from two, pushed it to the mid-50’s in his subsequent 3 quality seasons, saw it dip below 50% in his clownish first season in Washington, and climb back to the mid-50’s last year….this season he’s at 37.5% this year, including 43% at the rim and 36% from floater range. His advanced defensive metrics, for whatever they are worth, read like a slasher film, but this team is 29th in defense, so it’s obviously not all him. He’s also been benched. To temper the negativity here, this team is a joke, and as clownish as the Wizards were last year, they were run by a competent front office and a coach who was at least listened to. This Pelicans’ team is the absolute pit of the league from top to bottom, and it’s difficult to claim Poole is alone in making this franchise a joke. It is, honestly, the last place a guy like him needed to go - a place that allows him to follow his absolute worst instincts.

Mo Wagner is still hurt. I have not seen any substantive update lately.

Caris Levert’s start has been somewhat poor - his minutes are below his standard, his shooting is down, and his assist rate would be a career low. He did miss 3 games with a hamstring injury, so that could be a factor here. He plays alongside Cade a lot (it’s his most common court partner), but his most used lineup is with shooting-light players like Ausar, Holland, Stewart, and Harris, where I sense Ausar and Holland are getting some opportunity to be on ball more. The lineup has not, remotely, faired well - -35 points per 100 possessions. It’s early, he’s not terribly old, and he’s got a strong track-record so I’m not mashing the panic button yet.

The anticipated ā€œJokic bumpā€ has come for Tim Hardaway Jr.’s three-point accuracy, sitting at nearly 45% on a rate similar to last year (when he shot 36%). Obviously, that number is the bell-weather for Tim, he’s never contributed that much beyond points - he’s averaging 10 in 23 minutes. Unsurprisingly, his other seasons over 40% from 3 came alongside Luka…it would not shock me remotely to see him climb back there this year for the full season.

Offensively, Duncan Robinson has basically fulfilled expectations - he’s shooting 39% from three and scoring 11 points per game. There are two changes here - one understandable/unconcerning and the other a little weird, at least to me. The understandable one - the on-ball reps we discussed for the past two seasons in Miami have evaporated with Detroit. Miami had limited play-making and lots of injuries, Detroit has Cade, one of the more heliocentric players in the league who also hasn’t missed a game. The weird/possibly concerning one is his three point VOLUME. He’s taking as many threes as he did last year…but playing 9 more minutes a game. He’s taking 1/2 a shot fewer than the year before, in 5 additional minutes per game. Per 100 possessions, this would be his lowest volume by FOUR shots per 100 possessions. It’s not as he’s down because he’s on a team with lots of gunners so attempts are less focused - the Pistons are 27th in the league in 3-point attempts. The Pistons ARE 1st in 2’s - so this either a concerted approach or ā€œwell, they have to have to shots from somewhereā€.

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I don’t miss thinking Isaiah Livers would have an almost career ending injury after every dunk because of how he’d land, but love seeing him hoop!!

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Really good to see him playing on an NBA roster. Thought his NBA career might be over after he missed the entire last season with an injury and was a fringe player before that.

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