Was? Playoff Jimmy is top 3 all time!
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Top what now??
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Itâs the Basketball Hall of Fame so his college accomplishments factor in, too.
Whatâs your favorite song?
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Ah! He deserves that. I was thinking NBA HOF.
Favorite song ever is 1st tha Month by the immaculate Bone Thugs-n-Harmony.
Favorite John Legend song is Refuge
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Three years in the top 5 of Bpm!
So the fact that other wings were underpaid, but Franz was not, suggests enough noise that we canât directionally say Franz moves up the pecking order? I dunno man, seems this is overanalysis paralysis.
Draymond taking shots at his own coach⊠sadly thatâs totally on brand lol
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Does anyone have Franz Wagner takes
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Heâs better than Evan Midley
Nobody was wondering if Naji Marshall was better than Franz. Again, it adds no information.
Strange straw manâŠagain I was literally referring to your own words about what was being debated. Perhaps I havenât communicated clearly. In any event, Iâll leave it here so the thread can be about the Olympics.
I didnât pull Naji Marshall out of nowhere. Itâs not a straw man. That is a guy who is absolutely among the list of wings I was talking about in the Pistons thread. Theyâre all guys like that who didnât even go for the full non tax mid level. Everybody knows these guys arenât as good as Franz. You asked specifically if that didnât tell a story about how good they were relative to Franz. They did not.
If I can possibly attempt to reorient this runaway freight train of a tangent to what was actually being argued about
Ie
Why is Germany doing so well
Colinâs initial point was that Franz has been a better player for the national team in the WC and in these Olympics than for Orlando, and that, in the French game, if you were just picking âthe best playersâ on the rosters based on their NBA game, Gobert and Wembayana probably better
Which is kind of undeniably true, I think. Germanyâs talent âfitsâ better and having NBA guys of two pretty vital archetypes (PG and two way wing, which France has neither) clearly matters.
In terms of âaverageâ stuff, what we are losing sight of is that contributing massive amount of league average play (say 34 mpg worth for 78 games) is way harder than contributing 12 minutes of it. Just as MLB pitchers who can throw 185 innings of league average ball get paid a ton, and relievers who do so are a dime a dozen.
Wagner may be contributing somewhat standardly on a per minute basis but very few players actually DO that on such a large sample.
The fact he is solid for 2500 minutes a season is valuable, the fact he has missed 5 games a season and played 32 mpg takes a HUGE amount of minutes away from, say, a player like Caleb Houstan (sorry Caleb for the stray)
For instance, since going to Miami, Jimmy Butlerâs (a superior player per minute) gives 600 additional minutes to inferior players per season.
That is a value!
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Writing in concurrence:
Franz being a strapping young lad who can shoulder a significant minutes burden is a big value add in the NBA for sure.
In the context of Germanyâs Olympic team that doesnât matter so much bc weâre not talking about a vv long season.
To get somewhere close to halfway between Dylanâs point and mine, you can prob just let the minutes speak for the team. Franz and Schröder are their difference makers.
71.4% on two is good
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Bonga 70% from 3 is nice
Team USA Womenâs 3x3 lost to Spain in the semi-finals. Theyâll be playing for bronze. They bounced back nicely from a bad start.
that game personified why this 3x3 stuff is hot garbage
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Iâve only seen scattered âhighlightsâ and watched most of USA menâs vs. Poland, and totally agree its hot garbage, but mostly because the individual players are not very good. And in the case of the US men, far below what we could potentially send. Curious if thatâs your issue too, or is there something about the rules/structure of the Olympic version thatâs also bad?