You are correct, we the fans are funny but Caris has that quickness and length to excel in the league. I love Iggy’s game but not in NY, their culture is not noted for player development.
It must be lonely on your cloud. And I don’t care who doesn’t like it.
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Long time lurker here without posting much. But stating that most of us always knew Caris would be the best NBA player of the fresh 5 + the ones that came after is just crazy. Writing off Iggy before seeing what he can develop into in the league is a bit premature in my opinion. Give him a chance just like people gave Caris one.
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I don’t think many people are writing Iggy off. I’d say the cards are stacked against him though. Not sure he has any one stand out skill
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They were calling Caris “Baby Durant” before he arrived here. And you’re muddling what I said just enough to make it untrue. I said that many people felt Caris had the most promise of Beilein’s players. (There was always the question of whether he could stay healthy enough to do it.) Nobody’s foolhardy enough to pose these things in terms of absolutes. And yes, a lot of people wondered if Iggy’s straightline bulldog style would translate; no one, from what I can see, has labeled Iggy baby anything. This has nothing to do with hostility toward any of these guys–many of us here are the first to leap to these guys’ defense when dumb fans voice hostility toward them. That’s pretty different than trying to honestly project a players’ possibilities in the NBA. A little bit of nuance, please–there is no need to get up on a high horse.
It helps, I think, if you just love them for what they do at UM.
Let’s not act like Caris was projected to be a pro before he got to Michigan. He was an Ohio commit. By his sophomore season you could see the pro skills, but to say Baby Durant before he got to Michigan is a bit of revisionist history. If he was supposed to be a pro, he wouldn’t have been headed to a mid major prior to Groce leaving.
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I said that many of us thought Caris was likely John’s best pro prospect. I don’t think that’s debatable. And in the same way many people thought that Iggy’s prospects might be limited, including–clearly–scouts, since he wasn’t projected to get drafted on draft day. I don’t think these things are matters of controversy.
OTOH, I could be wrong about the Baby Durant thing–I thought he came in with that monicker, but I could be wrong. Going to see if I can dig it up.
EDIT: Looks like he picked it up from Nik Stauskas during summer practices before his first year:
I recall him being called Baby Durant by teammates as a Freshman but not before that.
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Interesting to note that even though Duncan Robinson is doing amazingly well from our perspective, it seems like most Heat fans despise him and want him off the team.
I saw that he scored 21 points in 23 minutes tonight, and went to check Twitter, and the majority of Heat fans seem to be grilling him as they have since he made the team. Quite odd. He’s shooting over 50% on 2s and 3s so far this year.
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It was his high school nickname IIRC. A lot of people get ridiculous comps in HS.
The article claims to have the real story, and says his Michigan “[t]eammates and coaches nicknamed him “Baby Durant.’”
He’s shot well. I watched part of the game last night and, possibly not that surprising, he had a very hard time guarding Andrew Wiggins (who is a devastatingly bad offensive player) - Wiggins’ main flaw is that he settles for awful shots constantly, Robinson failed to force him into those for the most part. His offensive role is pretty simple too - catch and shoot, maybe attack a close out. He rarely passes and doesn’t rebound.
This isn’t meant to knock him - it’s amazing he is where he is.
But I think Heat fans are irritated in general that their team is capped out and paying through the nose with no flexibility for a team with three undrafted guys in the rotation, and Robinson is thus a symbol of their frustration.
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There are many successful, long term NBA players doing exactly what Duncan does - pour in threes.
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I don’t disagree with you.
i woudnt call Wiggins a devastatingly bad offensive player.
He is one of the most inefficient scorers in the NBA. Of 227 players last season who played at least 15 MPG, with a usage over 15% (low bar), Wiggins was 212th in True Shooting (TS)%. Given his usage, he is devastating to his team’s offense.
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Here’s the highlights:
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I bet Jalen Coleman will have a career high of 22 points in the NBA.
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LOL.
That was a “spirited” debate here.
At this point, Coleman-Lands will be lucky to land a decent overseas deal.
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He’s the most inefficient scorer in the league at his usage. He’s one of the least valuable players in the NBA.
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