I think all of those guys (UM guys) are subpar defenders to be honest............so I'd say no. Although, Booker is very suspect as well. I definitely like Ulis as a defender, and the Harrisons are decent as well.
Yeah, but Booker and Harrisons are gone, so…
Based on bigs alone, I’d say our practice environment, as it relates to NBA type preparation, is VERY WEAK in terms of providing NBA type defense that will best prepare a player. Let’s face it, its a lot easier going up against the likes of Doyle and Donnal in relation to anything UK has.
It's PC talk but at least it's a probably a good sign for Michigan that he's thoughtful about his development. On rare occasions, top-ranked guys might stick around if they still have something left to prove (Barnes and Sullinger come to mind), but even that era may be over, with some very raw players jumping to the league despite weak freshmen campaigns.
It’s interesting to discuss because out of all the guys who have left Michigan for the NBA Hardaway Jr has been the most successful. Beilein and Michigan might develop skills for players but it hasn’t translated into a lot of success for those players at the next level. Now I do think Brown is a different type of guy who’s skills translate better to the NBA than other Michigan players who have left for the NBA. I am not sure there’s a lot Brown could do at Michigan he couldn’t do elsewhere as well.
This has been my exact argument against development translating to the NBA. To a large extent, NBA players are born, and not made. You can get better for the college game because, quite frankly, it just isn’t that good. The NBA is full of freak athletes, that can overcome nearly any amount of skill. This is the exact reason Burke has struggled in the NBA…just doesn’t have the immutable traits necessary to succeed in the league.
Correct even one of Burke’s good traits at Michigan was being a defender but he can’t defend his own position now. He could shoot at Michigan but the players are bigger/faster/stronger and he can’t hit shots. Brown should be able to overcome that in the NBA regardless of the school he attends. I hope it’s Michigan but it’s nothing more than a 20% chance right now.
You think all 5 remaining schools have equal chances? You do realize that other factors influence the chance %, right? Give me 5:1 odds of Brown choosing Michigan if you are so sure those are the odds.
Even the biggest realist or pessimist in the fan base would concede that Michigan has a slight edge over other schools for a variety of reasons (ie. family ties and Adidas affiliation). You saying its 20% at best is laughable.
I am not sure about that. We know he’s cut his list to 5 and has had some in home visits the last week along with the other schools involved. Brown doesn’t say anything publically. Not sure how you can take the crystal ball worth much if he’s not saying much either. It was a good article today giving hope but to say Michigan has a 50% might be too high. If Brown was reduce his list to 3 of Kansas, Kentucky, and Cal what would that say about Michigan being in the final 5?
Alum05 is exactly right. No one is saying Beilein can give players physical attributes they don't possess. But he can develop their offensive games really well in two years, which translates into them being wanted by NBA teams. Contrast that with Gary Harris, who shot .294 from the floor this year while certainly possessing far more athleticism than Trey or Nik.
I think one thing we fail to do is fail to give the credit to the players more than the coach. The coach can merely give the players the tools to succeed it’s up to the player what they want to do with those tools.
No, I don’t think we fail to give sufficient credit to the players. Stauskas and Caris have been widely lauded for the work they put in over the summer. Burke’s work ethic, as displayed in his training videos, was universally celebrated. We routinely praise the commitment of players who stick around for Camp Sanderson.
If by “merely giving the players the tools to succeed” you mean that JB designed and implemented an offensive system that allowed for the players to be drafted in the lottery (while winning a bunch of games) despite their obvious athletic limitations, then I guess I agree.
Based on bigs alone, I'd say our practice environment, as it relates to NBA type preparation, is VERY WEAK in terms of providing NBA type defense that will best prepare a player. Let's face it, its a lot easier going up against the likes of Doyle and Donnal in relation to anything UK has.
Alum05 is exactly right. No one is saying Beilein can give players physical attributes they don't possess. But he can develop their offensive games really well in two years, which translates into them being wanted by NBA teams. Contrast that with Gary Harris, who shot .294 from the floor this year while certainly possessing far more athleticism than Trey or Nik.
I think one thing we fail to do is fail to give the credit to the players more than the coach. The coach can merely give the players the tools to succeed it’s up to the player what they want to do with those tools.
No, I don’t think we fail to give sufficient credit to the players. Stauskas and Caris have been widely lauded for the work they put in over the summer. Burke’s work ethic, as displayed in his training videos, was universally celebrated. We routinely praise the commitment of players who stick around for Camp Sanderson.
If by “merely giving the players the tools to succeed” you mean that JB designed and implemented an offensive system that allowed for the players to be drafted in the lottery (while winning a bunch of games) despite their obvious athletic limitations, then I guess I agree.
I would like to believe coaches give every player the tools to succeed. Some are just more naturally gifted or talented than others and can take advantage of those tools more than others.
Based on bigs alone, I’d say our practice environment, as it relates to NBA type preparation, is VERY WEAK in terms of providing NBA type defense that will best prepare a player. Let’s face it, its a lot easier going up against the likes of Doyle and Donnal in relation to anything UK has.
Practice aside, I think the defenses he would face in the big 10 for the most part would be on par, likely superior, to what Kentucky will face night in and night out in the sec…more physical, just as skill, etc. As far as his individual development and preparation for the NBA, it’s up to him. I know he wants to work on shooting, ball handling, and going left among other things. Me personally, I would trust our coaches as much, actually more than Kentucky’s, for that type of development any day of the week.
I think all of those guys (UM guys) are subpar defenders to be honest............so I'd say no. Although, Booker is very suspect as well. I definitely like Ulis as a defender, and the Harrisons are decent as well.
Yeah, but Booker and Harrisons are gone, so…
Based on bigs alone, I’d say our practice environment, as it relates to NBA type preparation, is VERY WEAK in terms of providing NBA type defense that will best prepare a player. Let’s face it, its a lot easier going up against the likes of Doyle and Donnal in relation to anything UK has.
Why would Jaylen Brown be checked by Donnal and Doyle?
he is just saying as youre going in practice marcus lee or bigs like okafor defending the basket develops your game better than getting in the lane and facing our bigs
agree big ten better competition than the sec, but you do practice against your team more.
I think all of those guys (UM guys) are subpar defenders to be honest............so I'd say no. Although, Booker is very suspect as well. I definitely like Ulis as a defender, and the Harrisons are decent as well.
Yeah, but Booker and Harrisons are gone, so…
Based on bigs alone, I’d say our practice environment, as it relates to NBA type preparation, is VERY WEAK in terms of providing NBA type defense that will best prepare a player. Let’s face it, its a lot easier going up against the likes of Doyle and Donnal in relation to anything UK has.
Why would Jaylen Brown be checked by Donnal and Doyle?
Not checked, but finishing over. Doesn’t really matter, nobody on the roster, regardless of position, can even come close to stopping Brown.
Weaknesses:
-Jump-shot is still a work in progress. Was a non-shooter not too long ago and is still finding his consistency
-Sometimes tries to do a little too much and forces issue, causing turnovers
-Still working on his ball-handling skills. Needs to improve his left hand
Weaknesses:
-Jump-shot is still a work in progress. Was a non-shooter not too long ago and is still finding his consistency
-Sometimes tries to do a little too much and forces issue, causing turnovers
-Still working on his ball-handling skills. Needs to improve his left hand
Seems like that’s stuff – jump shot and ball handling – that Beilein could help him with, no?
At the very least, Beilein’s emphasis on no turnovers (don’t force things), and trying to make everyone a decent shooter would seem to be things that could help round out his skillset to match his natural athleticism.
One thing is for certain regardless of Nautural athletic ability, Stauskas, Hardaway, And Burke all looked like much more polished basketball players after 2-3 years at UM compared to their high school film. MUCH better. Jaylen Brown is already much more polished than those guys coming out so that kind of jump probably isnt feasible. But if it is we might have an NBA all star on our team in 2016 lol.
Really sounds to me, Matt, like you’re trying to “sell” Brown on going elsewhere. I believe the least strong part of Brown’s game is shooting from 16-20 feet, and I believe JB is an excellent teacher/coach of shooting. As Jaylen himself says, Beilein is an offensive genius. At least that’s the consensus of many, whether they be NBA dads who have sent their kids to UM or other coaches. I also believe that we do have quality players who will provide competition for Jaylen in practice everyday. Seriously. I know you want him as badly as all of us do, but purposely pointing out what you would consider areas of weakness in what we have to offer can’t possibly help. Although, I guess, in truth Jaylen probably doesn’t read this board. However, I’d guess his “Maize Rage” cousin might.
Really sounds to me, Matt, like you're trying to "sell" Brown on going elsewhere. I believe the least strong part of Brown's game is shooting from 16-20 feet, and I believe JB is an excellent teacher/coach of shooting. As Jaylen himself says, Beilein is an offensive genius. At least that's the consensus of many, whether they be NBA dads who have sent their kids to UM or other coaches. I also believe that we do have quality players who will provide competition for Jaylen in practice everyday. Seriously. I know you want him as badly as all of us do, but purposely pointing out what you would consider areas of weakness in what we have to offer can't possibly help. Although, I guess, in truth Jaylen probably doesn't read this board. However, I'd guess his "Maize Rage" cousin might.
Weaknesses:
-Jump-shot is still a work in progress. Was a non-shooter not too long ago and is still finding his consistency
-Sometimes tries to do a little too much and forces issue, causing turnovers
-Still working on his ball-handling skills. Needs to improve his left hand
Silverblue you’re right, beilein is an excellent shot coach. He’s been praised for this by many. For this reason Michigan would be a great option for Brown as 3 point shooting seems to be an area for improvement. I wasn’t trying to give any reason why he shouldn’t come, I was merely pointing out maybe we should expect as much of a leap in his game because he is so damn good.
On the Wheeler Twitter page, the poster comments further on the reason why he doesnt think JB will go to Kansas. He says JB appreciates when coaches travel to watch him play (Self didn’t?) and also states that JB is not friends with anyone on the team and no family there, saying that one of the reasons for the emergence of Cal and UM.
On the Wheeler Twitter page, the poster comments further on the reason why he doesnt think JB will go to Kansas. He says JB appreciates when coaches travel to watch him play (Self didn't?) and also states that JB is not friends with anyone on the team and no family there, saying that one of the reasons for the emergence of Cal and UM.
Based on what you are saying, do we have any idea on how Brown interacted with Caris, Walton, and Zak when he visited here? Dylan, did you have any info on this? It seems that how well he got along with those players is something crucial for him, and obviously for the team.