I know its far away, but screw it I am going to say it. Even if Levert doesn't come back, I am predicting a big ten title. That is how good I feel about this teams future with dawkins and maar coming on and another year of seasoning under their belt. Also walton is going to be a serious problem when his toe is healthy.
Have you seen Ohio State’s recruiting classes? This league is about to Ohio State and everybody else
I know its far away, but screw it I am going to say it. Even if Levert doesn't come back, I am predicting a big ten title. That is how good I feel about this teams future with dawkins and maar coming on and another year of seasoning under their belt. Also walton is going to be a serious problem when his toe is healthy.
Have you seen Ohio State’s recruiting classes? This league is about to Ohio State and everybody else
I’m not going to lie I kinda forgot about them. Either way I am still confident this team is going to be really good next year.
I am not a fan of zach irvings game. Just going to put that out there. I feel like his play hinders the team. We need more defense and rebounding out of him like a GRIII light and less incessant chucking of bad threes. I prefer MAAR and Dawkins over him and sometimes wonder if the best lineup would be spike, maar, dawkins with bielfeldt and doyle to help on the glass. More of a traditional lineup i know, but just something I would like to see them try sometimes especially on a big team such as Iowa.
This team is a long way away from being good next year.
Recruiting or the lack-there-of will really bite us next year. We are one of the least explosive teams in all of Division 1 and that was the case even before the injury bug hit us.
This team is a long way away from being good next year.
Recruiting or the lack-there-of will really bite us next year. We are one of the least explosive teams in all of Division 1 and that was the case even before the injury bug hit us.
I actually have faith in their ability for next year mpbear. They just are going to take their lumps down the stretch here. I just really like dawkins and maars potential, combining with a healthy walton. There will be a lot of offense and speed between these three next year.
They need to find a four. a real quality four who can face up and drive and rebound. Basically what robinson did for us. I’m holding out hope that wilson could be that guy.
Robinson was a poor rebounder if we’re being honest. We need somebody, anybody, that can create (and someone who can finish as well) quality shots near the basket. Whether its a guard/wing that can penetrate, or a true post threat that demands a double, I care not. Just need more quality looks and finishes around the paint. I highly doubt Wilson is that guy.
I really like MAAR’s potential, still think he will be an all B10 type guy as an upperclassmen. Dawkins, however, is much like Zak, really good in a limited role. He’s really a commodity provided he has somebody that can create open looks for him, but he’s one dimensional at this point. Don’t ever think he’ll be somebody that can create.
This team as a whole has a lot of supplementary players that are dependent on others, but not a lot of core guys in my opinion. We have a plethora of guys that can be really valuable provided they are not your primary options. Of course, this may be quite different if Caris and Walton were healthy, but it didn’t seem that Caris’ presence made all that much difference to be honest about it.
I would not be surprised to see Chatman and/or Donnal move on and Wilson get a lot of minutes at the 4.
I made a similar comment in the post game comments. Let’s be real. We are getting practically nothing from either (offensively and defensively). I am really shocked how undeveloped and unready Donnal is. He’s the one that has been on campus now coming on two years! He worked on his game/weights/school for an entire year.
While I wouldn’t be shocked if both are “encouraged to look at other schools” type thing. I think at least one of them moving on would help us by opening up a scholarship and at least having a chance to fill that void with someone else.
Robinson was a poor rebounder if we're being honest. We need somebody, anybody, that can create (and someone who can finish as well) quality shots near the basket. Whether its a guard/wing that can penetrate, or a true post threat that demands a double, I care not. Just need more quality looks and finishes around the paint. I highly doubt Wilson is that guy.
I really like MAAR’s potential, still think he will be an all B10 type guy as an upperclassmen. Dawkins, however, is much like Zak, really good in a limited role. He’s really a commodity provided he has somebody that can create open looks for him, but he’s one dimensional at this point. Don’t ever think he’ll be somebody that can create.
This team as a whole has a lot of supplementary players that are dependent on others, but not a lot of core guys in my opinion. We have a plethora of guys that can be really valuable provided they are not your primary options. Of course, this may be quite different if Caris and Walton were healthy, but it didn’t seem that Caris’ presence made all that much difference to be honest about it.
I think you nailed it here. We have a team of role players right now, and that’s not going to change next year. If you’re satisfied with slightly above .500 seasons and the occasional upset, then this roster works for you.
If you’re looking for NCAA runs, it starts on the recruiting trail, and John has a lot of ground to make up going forward. I think he really botched 2015’s class and it’s going to set us back another year. I love John as a coach. I’ll never argue, he doesn’t get the most out of his players. For me though, I want him to get the most out of the upper echelon of incoming recruits. That’s how you sustain success.
Robinson was a poor rebounder if we're being honest. We need somebody, anybody, that can create (and someone who can finish as well) quality shots near the basket. Whether its a guard/wing that can penetrate, or a true post threat that demands a double, I care not. Just need more quality looks and finishes around the paint. I highly doubt Wilson is that guy.
I really like MAAR’s potential, still think he will be an all B10 type guy as an upperclassmen. Dawkins, however, is much like Zak, really good in a limited role. He’s really a commodity provided he has somebody that can create open looks for him, but he’s one dimensional at this point. Don’t ever think he’ll be somebody that can create.
This team as a whole has a lot of supplementary players that are dependent on others, but not a lot of core guys in my opinion. We have a plethora of guys that can be really valuable provided they are not your primary options. Of course, this may be quite different if Caris and Walton were healthy, but it didn’t seem that Caris’ presence made all that much difference to be honest about it.
I think you nailed it here. We have a team of role players right now, and that’s not going to change next year. If you’re satisfied with slightly above .500 seasons and the occasional upset, then this roster works for you.
If you’re looking for NCAA runs, it starts on the recruiting trail, and John has a lot of ground to make up going forward. I think he really botched 2015’s class and it’s going to set us back another year. I love John as a coach. I’ll never argue, he doesn’t get the most out of his players. For me though, I want him to get the most out of the upper echelon of incoming recruits. That’s how you sustain success.
John has never had the Power 5 conference titles,deep tournament runs, and NBA draft picks to throw at the top end recruits to go against the Cal’s, Self’s, and K’s of the world to see how their program stacks up. He has never had to deal with such roster attrition for that matter. I think the last couple of classes have been a learning curve. I will be interested in seeing if their is a balance now. We all would have been mad if they didn’t try to see how far their new found cache would take them in recruiting. I think it is quite obvious that JB is more comfortable with a more balanced recruiting approach. Pick a handful of the elites that fit what you do and take a run at them with a mix of the top 60-150 guys.
I mean where would this roster be if they went harder after even Vince Edwards when they could have had him?
Robinson was a poor rebounder if we're being honest. We need somebody, anybody, that can create (and someone who can finish as well) quality shots near the basket. Whether its a guard/wing that can penetrate, or a true post threat that demands a double, I care not. Just need more quality looks and finishes around the paint. I highly doubt Wilson is that guy.
I really like MAAR’s potential, still think he will be an all B10 type guy as an upperclassmen. Dawkins, however, is much like Zak, really good in a limited role. He’s really a commodity provided he has somebody that can create open looks for him, but he’s one dimensional at this point. Don’t ever think he’ll be somebody that can create.
This team as a whole has a lot of supplementary players that are dependent on others, but not a lot of core guys in my opinion. We have a plethora of guys that can be really valuable provided they are not your primary options. Of course, this may be quite different if Caris and Walton were healthy, but it didn’t seem that Caris’ presence made all that much difference to be honest about it.
I think you nailed it here. We have a team of role players right now, and that’s not going to change next year. If you’re satisfied with slightly above .500 seasons and the occasional upset, then this roster works for you.
If you’re looking for NCAA runs, it starts on the recruiting trail, and John has a lot of ground to make up going forward. I think he really botched 2015’s class and it’s going to set us back another year. I love John as a coach. I’ll never argue, he doesn’t get the most out of his players. For me though, I want him to get the most out of the upper echelon of incoming recruits. That’s how you sustain success.
Can’t always hit homeruns but we’re going to need to get the sticks going in 2016.
I’d like to also see him get an experienced team. We seem to constantly be the “young” guys and I’d like to see this freshman group stick around to see how they develop.
I think of Peyton Siva and Russ Smith at Louisville. Nice college players. Averaged 4ppg and 2ppg as freshmen. Senior year they were at 10ppg and 19ppgs.
Combine Talent + Experience on your roster = championships
Combine Youth + lesser talent = scrambling
…we should at least fall the middle.
Robinson was a poor rebounder if we're being honest. We need somebody, anybody, that can create (and someone who can finish as well) quality shots near the basket. Whether its a guard/wing that can penetrate, or a true post threat that demands a double, I care not. Just need more quality looks and finishes around the paint. I highly doubt Wilson is that guy.
I really like MAAR’s potential, still think he will be an all B10 type guy as an upperclassmen. Dawkins, however, is much like Zak, really good in a limited role. He’s really a commodity provided he has somebody that can create open looks for him, but he’s one dimensional at this point. Don’t ever think he’ll be somebody that can create.
This team as a whole has a lot of supplementary players that are dependent on others, but not a lot of core guys in my opinion. We have a plethora of guys that can be really valuable provided they are not your primary options. Of course, this may be quite different if Caris and Walton were healthy, but it didn’t seem that Caris’ presence made all that much difference to be honest about it.
I think you nailed it here. We have a team of role players right now, and that’s not going to change next year. If you’re satisfied with slightly above .500 seasons and the occasional upset, then this roster works for you.
If you’re looking for NCAA runs, it starts on the recruiting trail, and John has a lot of ground to make up going forward. I think he really botched 2015’s class and it’s going to set us back another year. I love John as a coach. I’ll never argue, he doesn’t get the most out of his players. For me though, I want him to get the most out of the upper echelon of incoming recruits. That’s how you sustain success.
Can’t always hit homeruns but we’re going to need to get the sticks going in 2016.
I’d like to also see him get an experienced team. We seem to constantly be the “young” guys and I’d like to see this freshman group stick around to see how they develop.
I think of Peyton Siva and Russ Smith at Louisville. Nice college players. Averaged 4ppg and 2ppg as freshmen. Senior year they were at 10ppg and 19ppgs.
Combine Talent + Experience on your roster = championships
Combine Youth + lesser talent = scrambling
…we should at least fall the middle.
I know JB has done a nice job of developing guards/wings at UM. That being said, I think the whole development angle is overhyped for basketball, because you literally get 1 year of quality play, and guys bolt. In football, I think the exact opposite is true. You can take a class full of 3star/mid talent type guys, and you are guaranteed 3 years of development at minimum. So, in essence, your 3 stars, become 4/5 stars. Basketball, not so much. The current rule structure of college basketball sucks for us, but that is the system we’re dealing with.
All this to say, that while development is good, it’s severely mitigated in college basketball because of the draft structure. You are basically going to lose a good portion of your team any time you have a good seaon. Recruiting has become the name of the game in college basketball. I don’t blame JB for going after elite players one bit, just have to start landing one instant impact player nearly every class
I would not be surprised to see Chatman and/or Donnal move on and Wilson get a lot of minutes at the 4.
I made a similar comment in the post game comments. Let’s be real. We are getting practically nothing from either (offensively and defensively). I am really shocked how undeveloped and unready Donnal is. He’s the one that has been on campus now coming on two years! He worked on his game/weights/school for an entire year.
While I wouldn’t be shocked if both are “encouraged to look at other schools” type thing. I think at least one of them moving on would help us by opening up a scholarship and at least having a chance to fill that void with someone else.
What troubles me most about Donnal and Chatman is their demeanors. They constantly have that hangdog look that we have seen from Smote and other guys that left. They just don’t seem happy with their roles or confident in their abilities. I could be totally wrong but that is what I see.
I would not be surprised to see Chatman bolt in the least bit. Donnal on the other hand, what options does he really have? I mean, honestly, if I were even a mid major coach, I don’t think I would take a chance…just hasn’t shown much.
I would not be surprised to see Chatman bolt in the least bit. Donnal on the other hand, what options does he really have? I mean, honestly, if I were even a mid major coach, I don't think I would take a chance..........just hasn't shown much.
That and the fact he has already sat out a year may mean he just goes the McLimans route and takes his 5th year somewhere else.
Of the 2 (Chatman and Donnal), I hope Kam stays. I know he has been very underwhelming this year, but I think he has some tools to work with. And I think he is eventually going to have a productive career.
Donnal, on the other hand–I just don’t see him competing on this level. I hope JB and co. make a serious run at Levi Cook, because we desperately need help inside. If Max goes elsewhere for his 5th year, next year is going to be really tough.
Robinson was a poor rebounder if we're being honest. We need somebody, anybody, that can create (and someone who can finish as well) quality shots near the basket. Whether its a guard/wing that can penetrate, or a true post threat that demands a double, I care not. Just need more quality looks and finishes around the paint. I highly doubt Wilson is that guy.
I really like MAAR’s potential, still think he will be an all B10 type guy as an upperclassmen. Dawkins, however, is much like Zak, really good in a limited role. He’s really a commodity provided he has somebody that can create open looks for him, but he’s one dimensional at this point. Don’t ever think he’ll be somebody that can create.
This team as a whole has a lot of supplementary players that are dependent on others, but not a lot of core guys in my opinion. We have a plethora of guys that can be really valuable provided they are not your primary options. Of course, this may be quite different if Caris and Walton were healthy, but it didn’t seem that Caris’ presence made all that much difference to be honest about it.
I think you nailed it here. We have a team of role players right now, and that’s not going to change next year. If you’re satisfied with slightly above .500 seasons and the occasional upset, then this roster works for you.
If you’re looking for NCAA runs, it starts on the recruiting trail, and John has a lot of ground to make up going forward. I think he really botched 2015’s class and it’s going to set us back another year. I love John as a coach. I’ll never argue, he doesn’t get the most out of his players. For me though, I want him to get the most out of the upper echelon of incoming recruits. That’s how you sustain success.
Can’t always hit homeruns but we’re going to need to get the sticks going in 2016.
I’d like to also see him get an experienced team. We seem to constantly be the “young” guys and I’d like to see this freshman group stick around to see how they develop.
I think of Peyton Siva and Russ Smith at Louisville. Nice college players. Averaged 4ppg and 2ppg as freshmen. Senior year they were at 10ppg and 19ppgs.
Combine Talent + Experience on your roster = championships
Combine Youth + lesser talent = scrambling
…we should at least fall the middle.
I know JB has done a nice job of developing guards/wings at UM. That being said, I think the whole development angle is overhyped for basketball, because you literally get 1 year of quality play, and guys bolt. In football, I think the exact opposite is true. You can take a class full of 3star/mid talent type guys, and you are guaranteed 3 years of development at minimum. So, in essence, your 3 stars, become 4/5 stars. Basketball, not so much. The current rule structure of college basketball sucks for us, but that is the system we’re dealing with.
All this to say, that while development is good, it’s severely mitigated in college basketball because of the draft structure. You are basically going to lose a good portion of your team any time you have a good seaon. Recruiting has become the name of the game in college basketball. I don’t blame JB for going after elite players one bit, just have to start landing one instant impact player nearly every class
I agree to a good extent. But over 13 scholarship spots, I’d like to see more balance. There are plenty of good college players that just don’t project into the pro’s. We just don’t have those guys on the roster right now that are 8ppg, 10ppg, 12ppg, etc to make up a balanced team.
Of the 2 (Chatman and Donnal), I hope Kam stays. I know he has been very underwhelming this year, but I think he has some tools to work with. And I think he is eventually going to have a productive career.
Donnal, on the other hand–I just don’t see him competing on this level. I hope JB and co. make a serious run at Levi Cook, because we desperately need help inside. If Max goes elsewhere for his 5th year, next year is going to be really tough.
Obviously I’d like both of them to stay but I’m more hopeful on Kam than many posters here. I think he’s shown flashes (including against Iowa) and has some good tools but he needs to string together some solid games to build confidence. In hindsight - considering the low level of competition he faced in high school along with the fact that he’s the youngest player on the team - Kam should have redshirted this year. I hope the coaches are encouraging him and applauding him on the things he does well because I see the same body language issues you guys do.
For a a guy who is really a three who was playing the four I thought Glen Robinson did fairly well on the boards and d. Just my opinion I guess but his skills were very useful I thought. Either way it doesn’t matter.
Donnall I just don’t see it. He just isn’t very good or tough. He seems to have a good face up jumper when there is no pressure on. He just looks in over his head whenever hes out there. I see chatman has some skills but is having a hard time utilizing them. He looks like for a tall guy he can dribble and pass a bit but thats all I have seen and he hasn’t done much with those skills.