College Basketball Open Discussion

Presumably because Philly just got swept out of the first round.

Got it. I haven’t watched an NBA game in over a decade.

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You just missed the best August game in the history of the league (yes, that’s sarcastic, but it was a phenomenal game), with a bonus of two Michigan guys going for 20+ each. But I’ll stop there as this is the wrong thread for that…

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You should

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If this were something he would consider, I would have to think he would reach out to a certain former coach of ours. And I think it would be interesting to hear the response he would get.

I think Beilein had a lot of qualities as a coach that made the NBA not a great fit. Jay Wright may have some similarities, but there are also differences. I don’t think college --> NBA is a death sentence for all coaches.

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I agree and also think Jay Wright could be a good NBA fit…Better than Beilein. I just think that conversation would be really interesting.

A huge part of that leap is the team and situation you get to go to. Beilein joined a dumpster fire of a team and it was likely doomed no matter what - just happened a little sooner than everyone thought. I think a better run organization with some veteran players who are willing to buy in would work better…though I’m not sure if it would ever truly work.

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Angelo Brizzi.

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Wake me up when something actually happens that truly impacts a programs future. Until the NCAA gives legit penalties cheating is worth it. The only reason um went into a 10+ year downturn is because they hired a horrific coach and followed it up by missing on pitino.

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I’d imagine that the NCAA will have less of an issue bringing the hammer down on a school like LSU since they aren’t a blue blood. Hitting Kansas has a much bigger impact on college basketball than LSU.

That an absolute myth, ncaa doesn’t bring down any program and gives the same sanctions to every program(not nearly severe enough except smu). Bad coaching hires bring down the programs after the programs have to fire really good+ coaches.

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Meh. The sanctions on USC football had a pretty big impact on their program. They still haven’t gotten back to the top after they were set back with major scholarship reductions. PSU had a couple rough years after their sanctions. Nothing will permanently cripple a school and obviously the moves you make after the sanctions will determine how quickly you recover, but I disagree that there has been no impact. NCAA definitely is reluctant to do much and maybe doesn’t go far enough, but there are examples of negative impacts on programs. It’s always going to be temporary though because sanctions usually impact the innocent current students more than the bad actors.

And you laid out the major impact. When schools have to fire good coaches, it’s hard to get back when the job is somewhat tainted for awhile after that. Without the sanctions, schools usually will turn a blind eye to the coach’s wrongdoings.

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Bad coaching hires brought down the usc program, they still recruited at an absurd level following it. PSU stayed pretty much on the last part of joepa direction and hell osu emerged better than ever out of the sanctions in both football and basketball. Sanctions usually have a very small impact, it all comes down to who you hire for your new coach.

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Would you agree that part of the reason for hiring bad coaches is that the job isn’t as attractive as before? We have seen through basketball and football coaching searches here at Michigan that good coaches just aren’t that willing to leave their current situations where they are paid well and comfortable. I’m sure USC would have loved to hire Saban or Urban Meyer post-Carroll. The reality was their list of realistic candidates wasn’t that impressive. And regardless, losing a great coach that you otherwise wouldn’t lose is a sanction in itself. Coaching hires fail more times than not. There are only so many elite coaches out there and most of them are unattainable.

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IDK I mean lane kiffen was a sitting sec coach at an historic program, bill obrien was a super hot nhl hc candidate, James Franklin was arguably the hottest up and coach in the country. Even coaches know the sanctions are pretty toothless.

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I’m not sure that penalties are supposed to truly impact a program’s future.

I think the primary goal is to have a deterrent effect. A couple of down seasons is a price most schools will happily pay for a couple of great seasons. The NCAA needs to find a better deterrent.

To hit the schools they need to go back to TV bans. They stopped imposing them due to the conferences objections. I think conferences need to accept more responsibility for the misbehavior of their members and for keeping them in line.

It seems to me they are pretty good at cracking down on the coaches.

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That’s never happening in a million years