College Basketball 2022-23 Discussion

Yeah, you need the charge (and a greater emphasis on the midrange game) to not reward reckless driving. I just hate it when a player is already in their shooting motion and some Wisconsin player slides under them and falls down. That rewards a late rotation. I think in there is where you need to find the right balance. Rewarding good anticipation on defense and controlled skill on offense.

I think it’s a tough choice. I’m not sure fewer charge calls leads to fewer injuries. Could see it lead to more as players contest each others’ shots more in the air. For a player like Ja, I don’t think it changes his injury risk at all. He’s fairly reckless and that’s not changing with fewer charge calls.

I think extending the circle is probably the most effective option for the NBA. Not sure anything will help in college as refs are generally just inconsistent.

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Setting Wisconsin basketball adrift on a sheet of ice would solve so many problems.

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That’s nice

Agree that you definitely need the charge or the game is just ugly drives. I do sympathize w the refs and the difficulty of trying to codify where the shooting motion begins. What to do w the gather step, particularly w euro step moves where you have a controlled change of direction. There I think the offensive player should need to avoid a charge (mid-euro), but in a more conventional layups I’m (sometimes?) sympathetic w the gather being part of the shot motion. It’s really never going to be consistently ā€˜right’.

If you have the opportunity to return to Campbell, you have to do it

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Anytime Campbell can get Campbell’s starting SF they have to do it

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That’s okay. But that’s why games ARE games–they have all these rules, some set up to thwart certain kinds of action, some to facilitate others. That arbitrary quality is part of what makes games games–you set up rules and follow them. I’m not saying you can’t change the rules, and I might/might not be in the majority. But a charge taken at the right moment of the game can certainly be a dramatic feature of the game.

To my mind it would be more a matter of getting the rule really, really clear and sticking to it that should be the goal. Bc it’s true that sometimes charging calls seem very arbitrary, maddening, I would concede. But sitting there carping and arguing is also part of the fun. And to me abandoning it would be just one more step to a game with no/too little D.

Rules come and go, though. Probably looking at the evolution of the call could be revealing, too.

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Perhaps it should be underscored that nobody is suggesting the charge call gets eliminated

We are talking specific plays

I’d rather watch the game where a fun play ends with a cool dunk or a block than two guys in a pile on the floor while a zebra gesticulates

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to those of you who say I’m taking this out of context, nuh uh

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I took Colin as being hyperbolic!

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Also I think that the B10 specifically has devolved to a cro-mag version of proto-basketball

I’m not sure why

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Seems to me you can also legislate against that. Being in control e.g. could be a condition for getting fouled.

I haven’t completely decided how much ā€œban the chargeā€ is a bit but I really do hate them. They’re called inconsistently, they encourage injuries, and as I said, it rewards stuff I don’t regard as real basketball.

But as for the specifics of rule changes and the knock on effects of those, I think I’m really coming around on charges for primary defenders only.

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My vague sense is refereeing is involved. Watching this year’s tourney the difference in reffing game to game was stark—I’m still not over how they let Plavisic play post D, even tho I bet UT—and knowing how regionalized ref crews are, that seems like a real possibility to me. The game that gets called is the game you get.

Think it had a while ago, with Izzo partly to blame. Wisconsin? I thought maybe Beilein would come to dominate so thoroughly that everyone would have to adapt. On that note, maybe the charge should be lessened in importance, I dunno.

This would be a cool subject to hear Juwan talk candidly about.

Candid and Juwan publically almost never happens. Not a criticism BTW.

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Bronny, Collier and Boogie. One ball. Should be fun though

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IIRC Bronny is pretty low-usage at Sierra Canyon, he might be a willing off-ball third guard

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