While it may not have been claimed or opinioned, you definitely Suggested it when you ask for us to keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
It's irrelevant for the simple fact it's of your opinion the GMs will use you're comparison of LeVert/Clarkson but won't use Hailtoyourvictors comparison of LeVert/Lamb. And while true, Clarkson was indeed taken 2nd round, he went on to prove those GMs were wrong in their assesment. Clarkson is a 1st round talent. GMs sometimes miss no? Isaiah Thomas, Chandler Parson, Marc Gasol Etc.
Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I don't feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.
Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.
I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Well, according to NBA GMs, Clarkson was a second round talent at the time of the draftā¦so, no, its not irrelevant in terms of comparing the two.
I never claimed or opined that GMs would utlize a comparison to Clarkson, I simply point to the fact that a player with similar size/atheltic ability was taken in the second round of last yearās draft.
No, I implied that in my opinion Caris isnāt worthy of a first round pick.
It's irrelevant for the simple fact it's of your opinion the GMs will use you're comparison of LeVert/Clarkson but won't use Hailtoyourvictors comparison of LeVert/Lamb. And while true, Clarkson was indeed taken 2nd round, he went on to prove those GMs were wrong in their assesment. Clarkson is a 1st round talent. GMs sometimes miss no? Isaiah Thomas, Chandler Parson, Marc Gasol Etc.
Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I don't feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.
Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.
I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Well, according to NBA GMs, Clarkson was a second round talent at the time of the draftā¦so, no, its not irrelevant in terms of comparing the two.
I never claimed or opined that GMs would utlize a comparison to Clarkson, I simply point to the fact that a player with similar size/atheltic ability was taken in the second round of last yearās draft.
A player with similar size and athletic ability to Caris LeVert went in the lottery of the 2012 NBA draft, but should have probably gone in the 2nd.
A play with similar size and athletic ability to Caris LeVert went in the 2nd round of the 2014 NBA draft, but should have probably gone in the lottery.
Knowing the above, I think itās foolish to be so sure that LeVert is a 2nd round pick at best.
I never claimed Caris Levert is a second round pick at best. I simply donāt think heās worthy of a first round pick.
We aren't bickering. There is a Caris LeVert related point to these questions. You are the one who made a 3 paragraph post comparing the similar value between Clarkson and LeVert. You "most certainly would" consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick, but not LeVert.
So, that being said, do you have a question related to Caris Levert in particular, or even a question comparing the two? An inquiry concerning Clarksonās trade value with respect to this yearās draft alone is not something that is relevant to Caris Levert without more.
A person using common sense could deduce the point.
The point is, if Caris LeVert is comparable to Jordan Clarkson (per you), and Clarkson is worth a high to mid 1st round pick, then how are you so convinced no NBA GM will consider healthy LeVert in the late 1st?
They are similar in terms of physical dimensions/atheltic ability, but not effectiveness/skill. Namely finishing ability and shooting off the bounce from midrange, which is what makes Clarkson worthy of a first round pick, while Caris is not in my view. Iād assume you wouldāve been able to deduce that considering I explicitly stated the same in my initial comparison.
Then why make the comparison? To say that Clarkson >>> LeVert? Unless Clarkson is similar to LeVert in terms of value, why say that the comparison is fair? I offered a player who compares in terms of dimensions/athletic ability and effectiveness/skill, but you refuse to discuss that. Instead you use a player who apparently doesnāt really compare to LeVert (Clarkson) much at allā¦ lol.
Further, LeVert has some skills better than Clarkson, too, namely separation, catch and shoot, and passing. If you think Clarkson is worth a 2015 lottery pick, itās mind boggling how you say a player that compares to him wouldnāt be considered in the late 1st.
We aren't bickering. There is a Caris LeVert related point to these questions. You are the one who made a 3 paragraph post comparing the similar value between Clarkson and LeVert. You "most certainly would" consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick, but not LeVert.
So, that being said, do you have a question related to Caris Levert in particular, or even a question comparing the two? An inquiry concerning Clarksonās trade value with respect to this yearās draft alone is not something that is relevant to Caris Levert without more.
A person using common sense could deduce the point.
The point is, if Caris LeVert is comparable to Jordan Clarkson (per you), and Clarkson is worth a high to mid 1st round pick, then how are you so convinced no NBA GM will consider healthy LeVert in the late 1st?
They are similar in terms of physical dimensions/atheltic ability, but not effectiveness/skill. Namely finishing ability and shooting off the bounce from midrange, which is what makes Clarkson worthy of a first round pick, while Caris is not in my view. Iād assume you wouldāve been able to deduce that considering I explicitly stated the same in my initial comparison.
Then why make the comparison? To say that Clarkson >>> LeVert? Unless Clarkson is similar to LeVert in terms of value, why say that the comparison is fair? I offered a player who compares in terms of dimensions/athletic ability and effectiveness/skill, but you refuse to discuss that. Instead you use a player who apparently doesnāt really compare to LeVert (Clarkson) much at allā¦ lol.
Further, LeVert has some skills better than Clarkson, too, namely separation, catch and shoot, and passing. If you think Clarkson is worth a 2015 lottery pick, itās mind boggling how you say a player that compares to him wouldnāt be considered in the late 1st.
I didnāt refuse to discuss anything, I simply wasnāt familiar enough wit Lamb in college (and I explicitly deferred to your assessment).
Furthermore, I stated that the comparison to Clarkson was fair based on similar size/atheltic ability/combo guard. But the reality is that a player than can handle the ball has much more value if they can finish at the rim and shoot off the bounceā¦that isnāt so hard to comprehend. In a nutshell, Caris isnāt very good at those things in my opinion, whereas Clarkson is above average in the regard. This is what separates the 2. Also, disagree with your contention that Caris is a better passer, think they were roughly the same in college.
Bottom line, finishing at the rim and shooting off the bounce have more value in the NBA than catch and shoot in my opinion.
No, I don't believe anything, but it is relevant what NBA GMs are thinking. Surprised you weren't able to comprehend that.
Youāre right, I did miss that particular nuance, though I think your initial argument was a bit misleading, as evidenced by everyoneās questions about it. Itās all good, though.
Iāve watched a fair amount of Clarkson this year. I think heās got a better handle than Caris, and yeah, heās a better finisher at the rim. Also a better midrange guy. Caris is a better shooter from distance. Decent comparison, for sure. And Iāll add I really like Clarksonās game - I think heās going to have a long and good NBA career. He was a steal for the Lakers. The funny thing is, after the first few games of the year, I thought, āThis guy is AWFUL.ā And he was. Then suddenly he turned into a totally different player.
Not I, and I brought this point up on another forum quite a bit when discussing how good Caris actually was this past year. Heās a solid player donāt get me wrong, but he isnāt a ātake over a gameā type player. We are probably middle of the pack NIT team even if he doesnāt get hurt.
Walton is a bigger piece to next yearās team than Caris IMO. Itās crucial heās 100% and that toe is fully healed before he attempts to go 100.
doesnāt the 3pt stat point to others not being able to create to open caris up for 3 (against stronger competition)? taking 3 pointers usually arenāt when a player is flashing his peak creativity no (i.e. taking over a game)?
doesn't the 3pt stat point to others not being able to create to open caris up for 3 (against stronger competition)? taking 3 pointers usually aren't when a player is flashing his peak creativity no (i.e. taking over a game)?
edit: unless youāre thompson or curry
I think there is some truth to what you bring up.
Iāll say this though, hard for others to create for Caris when Caris was dominating the ball, especially in under 15 second shot clock situations.
Bottom line, 28% is bad no matter how you slice it.
A healthy Walton should help everyoneās numbers though.
Interesting. Though if you take away his worst 3 games (Bucknell, SMU, Minnesota 0-11), then heās at 35.4% for the middle 12 gamesā¦half of those being played away.
Or flipped it and just took out the 3 worst games, heās shooting 47.1%
In any case, I donāt believe heās a bad shooter nor do I think heās a deadeye.
The room is getting more crowded by the day, and I think Caris can see the writing on the wall. Seems like the best decision for all parties involved is for Caris to come back for his senior year, improve his jumpshot off the bounce, carry the team to a s16 (or beyond) and work himself into the top 20 range!
NC State announces that Trevor Lacey is declaring for the NBA Draft: http://t.co/sc7Cknufy6
The room is getting more crowded by the day, and I think Caris can see the writing on the wall. Seems like the best decision for all parties involved is for Caris to come back for his senior year, improve his jumpshot off the bounce, carry the team to a s16 (or beyond) and work himself into the top 20 range!
NC State announces that Trevor Lacey is declaring for the NBA Draft: http://t.co/sc7Cknufy6
I personally thinks he is gone it does not take this long to know if you are going to stay.
The previous evaluation he got before people declared may be different from the latest evaluation he has asked for. Iād say thatās worth hearing before making a decision. But agree, definitely not a sure thing that heās coming back.
His comments strongly indicate that he is going to take the evaluation very seriously (something GR3, for instance, did not do). If heās safely in the first round, heās gone. If heās confidently out of the first round, heās back. What we donāt know is what heāll do if heās right on the border. This is taking time because he is awaiting a second evaluation following the impact of other early entrants.
He would have decided earlier on if it was so obvious. Him waiting so long can not be great for his stock. He is very heavily considering it and I would not be shocked either way that he goes.