I lost a lot of respect for Ford after his whole rankings debacle a few months ago.
I disagree with what that post stood for. I disagreed with the follow up post because Chad Fords report doesnāt make anything more likely than not. Itās a report. For instance it was reported Caleb Swanigan would head to Cal with Ivan Rabb. You formed an opinion I disagree with due to Chad Fords report.
Ford says Levert should return:āHe should return,ā Ford wrote in a draft chat. āHis draft stock was trending down before he was injured. Not sure heād be a first rounder if he declared. Heād need excellent workouts.ā
ESPN analyst: Caris LeVert should stay at Michigan, stock's falling
I usually donāt respond to Webb when he disagrees (because he disagrees with everyone), but how the heck do you disagree with me for reporting what Chad Ford has to say? I literally refrained from any opinion whatsoeverā¦lol
I disagree with what that post stood for. I disagreed with the follow up post because Chad Fords report doesn't make anything more likely than not. It's a report. For instance it was reported Caleb Swanigan would head to Cal with Ivan Rabb. You formed an opinion I disagree with due to Chad Fords report.Ford says Levert should return:āHe should return,ā Ford wrote in a draft chat. āHis draft stock was trending down before he was injured. Not sure heād be a first rounder if he declared. Heād need excellent workouts.ā
ESPN analyst: Caris LeVert should stay at Michigan, stock's falling
I usually donāt respond to Webb when he disagrees (because he disagrees with everyone), but how the heck do you disagree with me for reporting what Chad Ford has to say? I literally refrained from any opinion whatsoeverā¦lol
Actually, no, I followed up with another report in which I added it was āmore likely than notā. However, the initial post you disagreed with contained nothing more than a link to Fordās report and my statement that āFord says Levert should returnā.
Just thought about thisā¦I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. Iād say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)ā¦so the comparison seems fair.
I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I donāt feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.
Just thought about thisā¦I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. Iād say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)ā¦so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I don't feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Well, according to NBA GMs, Clarkson was a second round talent at the time of the draftā¦so, no, its not irrelevant in terms of comparing the two.
Based on that logic, I guess you believe that Trey was a top 10 talent in his draft at that time. Surprised you changed your mind so drastically.
Based on that logic, I guess you believe that Trey was a top 10 talent in his draft at that time. Surprised you changed your mind so drastically.
No, I donāt believe anything, but it is relevant what NBA GMs are thinking. Surprised you werenāt able to comprehend that.
Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
If the 2014 draft was re-done today knowing everything we know now, would you consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick?
Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
If the 2014 draft was re-done today knowing everything we know now, would you consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick?
I certainly would, and Iāll take a step further - I donāt think Caris is as good Jordan Clarkson was at Missouri.
Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
If the 2014 draft was re-done today knowing everything we know now, would you consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick?
I certainly would, and Iāll take a step further - I donāt think Caris is as good Jordan Clarkson was at Missouri.
What 2015 1st round pick would it take for you to trade Jordan Clarkson? Would Pick #15 do it?
Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
If the 2014 draft was re-done today knowing everything we know now, would you consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick?
I certainly would, and Iāll take a step further - I donāt think Caris is as good Jordan Clarkson was at Missouri.
What 2015 1st round pick would it take for you to trade Jordan Clarkson? Would Pick #15 do it?
Off topic, message me if you want to engage about dialogue geared toward Clarkson exclusively. As I said last night, not fair to the board that we bicker off topic.
We arenāt bickering. There is a Caris LeVert related point to these questions. You are the one who made a 3 paragraph post comparing the similar value between Clarkson and LeVert. You āmost certainly wouldā consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick, but not LeVert.
Itās irrelevant for the simple fact itās of your opinion the GMs will use youāre comparison of LeVert/Clarkson but wonāt use Hailtoyourvictors comparison of LeVert/Lamb. And while true, Clarkson was indeed taken 2nd round, he went on to prove those GMs were wrong in their assesment. Clarkson is a 1st round talent. GMs sometimes miss no? Isaiah Thomas, Chandler Parson, Marc Gasol Etc.
Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I don't feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Well, according to NBA GMs, Clarkson was a second round talent at the time of the draftā¦so, no, its not irrelevant in terms of comparing the two.
We aren't bickering. There is a Caris LeVert related point to these questions. You are the one who made a 3 paragraph post comparing the similar value between Clarkson and LeVert. You "most certainly would" consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick, but not LeVert.
So, that being said, do you have a question related to Caris Levert in particular, or even a question comparing the two? An inquiry concerning Clarksonās trade value with respect to this yearās draft alone is not something that is relevant to Caris Levert without more.
It's irrelevant for the simple fact it's of your opinion the GMs will use you're comparison of LeVert/Clarkson but won't use Hailtoyourvictors comparison of LeVert/Lamb. And while true, Clarkson was indeed taken 2nd round, he went on to prove those GMs were wrong in their assesment. Clarkson is a 1st round talent. GMs sometimes miss no? Isaiah Thomas, Chandler Parson, Marc Gasol Etc.Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I don't feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Well, according to NBA GMs, Clarkson was a second round talent at the time of the draftā¦so, no, its not irrelevant in terms of comparing the two.
I never claimed or opined that GMs would utlize a comparison to Clarkson, I simply point to the fact that a player with similar size/atheltic ability was taken in the second round of last yearās draft.
We aren't bickering. There is a Caris LeVert related point to these questions. You are the one who made a 3 paragraph post comparing the similar value between Clarkson and LeVert. You "most certainly would" consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick, but not LeVert.So, that being said, do you have a question related to Caris Levert in particular, or even a question comparing the two? An inquiry concerning Clarksonās trade value with respect to this yearās draft alone is not something that is relevant to Caris Levert without more.
A person using common sense could deduce the point.
The point is, if Caris LeVert is comparable to Jordan Clarkson (per you), and Clarkson is worth a high to mid 1st round pick, then how are you so convinced no NBA GM will consider healthy LeVert in the late 1st?
We aren't bickering. There is a Caris LeVert related point to these questions. You are the one who made a 3 paragraph post comparing the similar value between Clarkson and LeVert. You "most certainly would" consider Clarkson worth a 1st round pick, but not LeVert.So, that being said, do you have a question related to Caris Levert in particular, or even a question comparing the two? An inquiry concerning Clarksonās trade value with respect to this yearās draft alone is not something that is relevant to Caris Levert without more.
A person using common sense could deduce the point.
The point is, if Caris LeVert is comparable to Jordan Clarkson (per you), and Clarkson is worth a high to mid 1st round pick, then how are you so convinced no NBA GM will consider healthy LeVert in the late 1st?
They are similar in terms of physical dimensions/atheltic ability, but not effectiveness/skill. Namely finishing ability and shooting off the bounce from midrange, which is what makes Clarkson worthy of a first round pick, while Caris is not in my view. Iād assume you wouldāve been able to deduce that considering I explicitly stated the same in my initial comparison.
While it may not have been claimed or opinioned, you definitely Suggested it when you ask for us to keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Itās irrelevant for the simple fact itās of your opinion the GMs will use youāre comparison of LeVert/Clarkson but wonāt use Hailtoyourvictors comparison of LeVert/Lamb. And while true, Clarkson was indeed taken 2nd round, he went on to prove those GMs were wrong in their assesment. Clarkson is a 1st round talent. GMs sometimes miss no? Isaiah Thomas, Chandler Parson, Marc Gasol Etc.Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I don't feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Well, according to NBA GMs, Clarkson was a second round talent at the time of the draftā¦so, no, its not irrelevant in terms of comparing the two.
I never claimed or opined that GMs would utlize a comparison to Clarkson, I simply point to the fact that a player with similar size/atheltic ability was taken in the second round of last yearās draft.
It's irrelevant for the simple fact it's of your opinion the GMs will use you're comparison of LeVert/Clarkson but won't use Hailtoyourvictors comparison of LeVert/Lamb. And while true, Clarkson was indeed taken 2nd round, he went on to prove those GMs were wrong in their assesment. Clarkson is a 1st round talent. GMs sometimes miss no? Isaiah Thomas, Chandler Parson, Marc Gasol Etc.Where one is picked is irrelevant. Bottom line, Clarkson and LeVert are both 1st round talents. I don't feel there are 30 players in college better than Caris. A bunch of NBA scouts missed with their assesment of Clarkson.Just thought about this...........I think a relevant comparison to Caris is Jordan Clarkson (Lakers). Think I can give a fair assessment of both since I pretty much watch both all year long. I'd say both have similar physical dimensons (nearly identical), with similar atheltic abilities (Clarkson a bit stronger, a bit more explosive)...........so the comparison seems fair.I think Caris is a bit better in terms of getting separation from a defender because he has superior change of speed. I think change of direction is relatively equal. Caris certainly has the advantage in terms of catch and shoot from distance. However, I think that is where the advantages end.
The biggest difference between Clarkson and Caris, is Clarksonās ability to finish at the rim, heās a really good finisher for a guard. Additionally, Clarkson is damn good at the mid range jumper off the bounceā¦in my mind this is what separates Caris from being a 1st and 2nd rounder.
Keep in mind Clarkson was a second round pick.
Well, according to NBA GMs, Clarkson was a second round talent at the time of the draftā¦so, no, its not irrelevant in terms of comparing the two.
I never claimed or opined that GMs would utlize a comparison to Clarkson, I simply point to the fact that a player with similar size/atheltic ability was taken in the second round of last yearās draft.
A player with similar size and athletic ability to Caris LeVert went in the lottery of the 2012 NBA draft, but should have probably gone in the 2nd.
A play with similar size and athletic ability to Caris LeVert went in the 2nd round of the 2014 NBA draft, but should have probably gone in the lottery.
Knowing the above, I think itās foolish to be so sure that LeVert is a 2nd round pick at best.