Did you not use career stats and a poor year to discredit KBD in this same thread last night? 
There are arguments to be made for a lot of guys but I just can’t see Moe making the list. He topped out as a 14 ppg scorer. This is still an individual award.
I did, but if he had led his team to a conference title, the Final Four, or the NCAA title game, I’d give that a ton of weight. He did none of that.
And if you want to count Mo’s averages against him do the same for Draymond and Denzel, neither of whom were as good or as accomplished as Moe after three years. I feel like you often go out of your way to discredit Michigan guys under the guise of being objective. I’ll admit I go too far the opposite way. But we had what, two Big Ten teams (Michigan and Wisconsin) make a title game (Michigan twice, no less) and the best player on one of those teams (Moe) can’t even get third team?
The first thing I notice about this list is how nice it must be for MSU fans that they got to watch all three of their guys on this list for all four years. 
Burke, Sullinger, and Russell only players listed with two seasons played or less. How many more Michigan players make the list if they play all four years? A useless exercise I know, but Stauskas and Wagner for sure, IMO. Just seems weird to only have one Michigan player represented after the decade they had. Beilein was too good at developing players!
Definitely not what I’m doing. Someone asked me to come up with a list in the AMA and I basically started with NPOYs (that’s the first team) then went down B10 POY and AA, AB10 lists.
1st: Kamisnky, Burke, Green, Valentine, Turner (if you are going to exclude Garza, I think you include Turner)
2nd: Sullinger, Winston, Happ, Oladipo, Carsen
For the third team, you are basically picking five of Stauskas (B10 POY), Swanigan(B10 POY), JaJuan Johnson (B10 POY), Bates-Diop (B10 POY), Yogi, Zeller, Jordan Taylor.
There are definitely poor AB10 picks every year (Nate Mason over Derrick Walton, etc.) but those sort of individual accolades are still a really good starting point.
The real shame in the list is including Jordan Murphy and Aaron Craft – but at least they got people to talk about it.
It’s funny in the era of “one and done” that there are so many four-and-done player of the years. Here’s the last decade:
It’s also weird that Cassius Winston was the best offensive player in college basketball on a top-five team for about 18 months straight and will never be a POTY winner.
Please support by watching these highlights in protest of the absolute travesty it is that Nik was omitted from the all decade list. Should be sent to any person who voted for Murphy or Craft.
I know people had a lot of fun with Carsen Edwards during his tournament run, but what’s the argument for him on the second team over those CPOYs? He had gaudy scoring numbers, but took a ton of shots to get there and he didn’t win CPOY. Heck, I like Yogi more for a guy who didn’t win CPOY.
The argument for Carsen is that he was a 2x AA, 2x B10 1st Team and his team won 2 Big Ten titles and made the 2nd weekend of the NCAA Tournament 3 times during his career.
In Carsen Edwards’ three years at Purdue, they were 45-11 in Big Ten games. That’s pretty good.
I’m sure ya’ll will enjoy this one (It is going to be Izzo)
Solid argument. People love their scoring. Scoring leads to accolades. Haha. I’d still take Stauskas with personal and team accolades over him. It obviously is tough to balance longevity with peak. Had Stauskas played his junior year, his accolades likely would have far exceeded Edwards.
Beilein or we riot 
Yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and pass on watching their Izzo breakdown.
Agree with the last part. Also, all conference teams are voted on right after the regular season, right? I feel a guy like Mo (for example) makes the 2018 team for sure if postseason is included. So if you’re relying on the all-conference teams and players of the year, you’re necessarily relying on only regular season accolades. I certainly think postseason should count. For example, if we were doing an all 1980s team, Glen Rice and Steve Alford would be first team and their postseason success would certainly be a factor.
Just for the record:
Izzo:
5 Regular season titles (2 solo, 3 shared)
4 Big Ten Tournament titles
3 Final Fours
1 Elite Eights
2 Sweet Sixteens
2 Round of 32
2 Round of 64
Beilein:
2 Regular season titles (1 solo, 1 shared)
2 Big Ten Tournament titles
2 National Runner Ups
1 Elite Eight
2 Sweet Sixteens
1 Round 32
2 Round 64
Yeah, it’s not particularly close.
First off, Michigan really hit its recruiting stride with the class of 2012. Its 2011/12 team, for example, overachieved quite a bit. The fact that they were co-champs starting Zack, Stu, and a freshman PG in Burke says a lot about JB’s coaching. Izzo, in contrast, had been on the job for 16 years by that point, and was landing elite recruits every year.
If we take 2012/13 going forward, which I think is a fair measure because it was with that class that JB really started landing his type of guys, it’s extremely close. And if we ranked the best UM or MSU teams during that time, I’d say the rankings start with 2013 Michigan and 2018 Michigan.
The 2019 MSU Final Four team was a really good team. The 2015 squad kinda came from nowhere and got smoked by Duke in the Final Four.
That’s the amazing thing about Izzo – squandered so much talent and such a dinosaur at times, yet still is the obvious pick. Give that guy the ingredients he needs – as distinct from the ingredients he thinks he wants – and you get magic.
KenPom Adj EM of Beilein and Izzo teams over the last decade.
What does that say?
That’s every team’s adjusted efficiency margin (what KenPom is ranked on) over the last decade so the best KenPom teams on the top, worst on the bottom.
Using the actual Adj EM rather than their final rank because that can really vary over year (the 3rd ranked team in one year can be way better or worse than the 3rd ranked team in another year).
