Big Ten Discussion

That’s my opinion too. I think their 2018 class will make big jumps. Ahrens, Washington, Muhammad will all improve imo and will give them some nice secondary options to score.

Wesson is such a force too. I think he will be the most dominant player in the league. Not the best player , but the hardest to match up with. Thankfully we have the one center will the attributes to slow him down.

I really like young, walker, and the other Wesson as nice upperclassmen pieces around him. If they were in contention to win the big ten going into the last week or two I would not be the least bit surprised.

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ESPN has Maryland 10 or 11. I think that’s a bit high particularly, since I don’t care for turgeon as a coach like Holtmann along with Smith appearing to be their only big man. They could play small and be a scary team to play. Cowan, alaya, morsel, Wiggins and smith would be nice.

I have to go back and see who’s staying for other teams but I like Indiana to bounce back hard and be a sleeper, Iowa will be tough even without cook and moss, Wisconsin will be scrappy, Penn st and Rutgers returns main pieces if I recall, Illinois has everyone back who matters.

Purdue loses Edwards and Cline but Williams and wheeler looked like potential all big ten players in the making late in the year. Add to that eastern, harms, Bordeaux, stefanich, hunter , and proctor on the grad transfer and they are looking pretty damn good again.

This is going to be a nightmare in conference schedule. Adding Franz is looking more and more like a big deal to me.

Marylan’s starting 5 looks really good, I could see them being way better with the spacing advantage of 4 out and Smith at the 5. Bench looks spotty but Smith (took 3s, decent recruiting ranking for a bench guy), Lindo (rebounding) and their top freshman (17 among 5s) could maybe get to average. That looks like a 4 seed in the tourney to me, even with Turgeon’s teams’ seemingly being quite dumb.

OSU I think will be really good.

They were great on D by the end of the year (looked way better than their 25th Kenpom eye test ranking suggested) but their O was bad (terrible with Wesson on the bench or out) and it’s easy to see him and Carton being a nice pick and roll tandem and whichever 4 or 5 of the 7 or 8 wings they have competing (really it’s like 6 playable wings with their 2 recruits in the 40s added to Muhammad Ahrens, Young and Jallow) for the wing spots and CJ Walker and LeDee should be above average backups at the 1 and 5.

Good coach too. That looks like a 4 or 5 seed to me, assuming Carton has some issues with efficiency but is a handful penetrating. If he isn’t though, they might be a paper tiger on O that can’t really score when teams can handle Wesson. Still not a ton of secondary creative scoring.

Looks like they’re likely to make a big improvement, yeah. If Wesson smartens up and stops with the reach-in fouls going for OREBs and all the other immature stuff he does, that’d be a big difference.

I even forgot about jallow. Honestly they might not have a lot of creators off the dribble like you said per say but I think a lot of those guys are still solid scoring options going forward.

Gaffney if I remembered eas impressive, we’ve seen carton and Liddell looked good if I remember as well.

Purdue will be interesting. I could see them flipping and being better on D than O next year, with 2 useful 5s, Wheeler and Eastern but then spotty shooting with Proctor, Hunter and whoever else gets wing minutes.

I’ll take Winston as most dominant player in the league.

I think Winston’s the best player for sure. Wesson’s size just effects the game and attracts so much attention. Definitely will be a tough out.

Ranked 30 on ESPN’s list of immediately eligible transfers.

Full List (Pierce was 5, Cumberland is 19, Moss is 20):

Not that it matters much to their overall prospects, but LeDee transferred.

I’ve seen this before, in fact I have it bookmarked. As we look at this, Pierce was ranked 5th and Cumberland 19th, Moss is 20th, BUT we need a two. Cumberland is a two, as is Moss. Pierce is really a three. And Pierce is off the board.

Here’s the way I look at this. Cumberland, though 19th on this list is the 5th ranked SG, plays the position we most need to fill. Moss, also a SG, is 20th and 6th. Of the four prospects rated ahead of them, three are already gone. Perhaps we should have prioritized one of those, Christian Keeling, for instance, but he’s going to Carolina, too. We prioritized Pierce, basically a SF, and we didn’t get him.

Admon Gilder, the sixth ranked player, and number one ranked SG on this list is still available, but it’s probably too late to get involved with him, if he is even a player our staff wants. He is visiting Gonzaga this weekend, they are pressing hard for him and we are not listed as being involved with him.

So, in my opinion, either Jaevin Cumberland or Isaiah Moss are our best bets. They are the 5th and 6th ranked SGs on this list. Cumberland is a very good shooter with range. I think he’d be a very good option. If the staff likes him better, Isaiah Moss is ranked just below Cumberland, and he can shoot it, too. Either of them would come in and compete, I think mostly with Eli, for the starting two position. I think initially Eli would have the edge, perhaps not, but it would develop into a dog fight, making both players better. In any case, we would have options at the two that we perhaps don’t have now, solid options.

I still hope Franz comes, or Iggy stays. I think the chances of the former are a lot better than the latter, but in either of those two scenarios, we’d be stacked at the wing. We need to be solid at the two. We need a shooter at the two. Yes, one of our wings could slide down to the two, but it’s a different position than the three/four. I’m sure Coach B would figure it out, but it would be really nice to have a solid two, rather than a wing playing the two.
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I trust Coach Beilein and his staff, but, and I know nothing about what they are thinking, BUT I think I’d be going hard after Jaevin Cumberland, a true shooting guard and the number five SG on this list. Or, if not Jaevin, for whatever reason, then Isaiah Moss, a 42% three point shooter last year for Iowa, and a starter on a B1G team. Both of them good options.

Gilder MIGHT be an option, though I don’t think so, but we have two good options at a position of need in either Cumberland or Moss. And again, it may sound like sour grapes, though it really isn’t, I think those options are easily as good as the one we missed on.

In any case, I hope we go after whoever we want with a vengeance, because soon those options may be gone, and while I love the players we have, a solid two would sure be nice. Other options may still come up, but sometimes that bird in the hand sure is nice. Just my two cents worth on a quiet but sunny, cool, and quite beautiful Saturday morning.

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I agree, for the most part, with your comments. I’d love for Iggy to come back another year, but since I’m more than 99% confident that won’t happen, I’m hoping for Wagner and either Cumberland or Moss at this point. As long as Cumberland or Moss would pick up the offense quickly (something Simmons really struggled with) and fully commit themselves on the defensive end, I think they are sound options.

I don’t know how quickly they would pick up the offense, but I do think, with both having experience, they can help us. Having said that, with, and this is just my opinion, no real 2019 options to whom I would want to commit a scholarship that could last up to four years, as long as either Cumberland or Moss was willing to come in with a great attitude and work hard everyday, I don’t see the downside. And the upside could be quite big.

Needless to say, I don’t think Hyland is an option for us in 2019 anymore. He would have certainly figured into the equation as to what to do with that spot, and I think he did for a while.

So, again, I think Cumberland or Moss would be our best options at this point.

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Is there any news on us reaching out to moss? Just out of familiarity he’d my next choice of grad transfers. I like his game

I haven’t seen or heard any such news as yet. Only speculation and hope from us to this point, as far as I’m aware.

I think they can help for sure, and I should have added in my previous post that, in the case of Simmons, a point guard is naturally likely to have a steeper learning curve in Beilein’s offense.
So yeah, if they’re willing to put in the work and be dedicated on the other end of the floor (Kampe and McCaffery teams are not exactly known for their defensive prowess), I think either of them would be a good option now.
Other than Wagner, I too would not want to add a class of 2019 guy at this point, given there don’t appear to be any great options left for us.

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Lindo is going to be good - he’s so young though, that he could be one of those young bigs who leaves college before actually accomplishing much.

This is the most intriguing player coming into the b1g. A few years ago before injuries hit he was tracking to be the number 1 player in the 2019 class.