Ah! He deserves that. I was thinking NBA HOF.
Favorite song ever is 1st tha Month by the immaculate Bone Thugs-n-Harmony.
Favorite John Legend song is Refuge
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Three years in the top 5 of Bpm!
So the fact that other wings were underpaid, but Franz was not, suggests enough noise that we can’t directionally say Franz moves up the pecking order? I dunno man, seems this is overanalysis paralysis.
Draymond taking shots at his own coach… sadly that’s totally on brand lol
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He’s better than Evan Midley
Nobody was wondering if Naji Marshall was better than Franz. Again, it adds no information.
Strange straw man…again I was literally referring to your own words about what was being debated. Perhaps I haven’t communicated clearly. In any event, I’ll leave it here so the thread can be about the Olympics.
I didn’t pull Naji Marshall out of nowhere. It’s not a straw man. That is a guy who is absolutely among the list of wings I was talking about in the Pistons thread. They’re all guys like that who didn’t even go for the full non tax mid level. Everybody knows these guys aren’t as good as Franz. You asked specifically if that didn’t tell a story about how good they were relative to Franz. They did not.
If I can possibly attempt to reorient this runaway freight train of a tangent to what was actually being argued about
Ie
Why is Germany doing so well
Colin’s initial point was that Franz has been a better player for the national team in the WC and in these Olympics than for Orlando, and that, in the French game, if you were just picking “the best players” on the rosters based on their NBA game, Gobert and Wembayana probably better
Which is kind of undeniably true, I think. Germany’s talent “fits” better and having NBA guys of two pretty vital archetypes (PG and two way wing, which France has neither) clearly matters.
In terms of “average” stuff, what we are losing sight of is that contributing massive amount of league average play (say 34 mpg worth for 78 games) is way harder than contributing 12 minutes of it. Just as MLB pitchers who can throw 185 innings of league average ball get paid a ton, and relievers who do so are a dime a dozen.
Wagner may be contributing somewhat standardly on a per minute basis but very few players actually DO that on such a large sample.
The fact he is solid for 2500 minutes a season is valuable, the fact he has missed 5 games a season and played 32 mpg takes a HUGE amount of minutes away from, say, a player like Caleb Houstan (sorry Caleb for the stray)
For instance, since going to Miami, Jimmy Butler’s (a superior player per minute) gives 600 additional minutes to inferior players per season.
That is a value!
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Writing in concurrence:
Franz being a strapping young lad who can shoulder a significant minutes burden is a big value add in the NBA for sure.
In the context of Germany’s Olympic team that doesn’t matter so much bc we’re not talking about a vv long season.
To get somewhere close to halfway between Dylan’s point and mine, you can prob just let the minutes speak for the team. Franz and Schröder are their difference makers.
71.4% on two is good
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Bonga 70% from 3 is nice
Team USA Women’s 3x3 lost to Spain in the semi-finals. They’ll be playing for bronze. They bounced back nicely from a bad start.
that game personified why this 3x3 stuff is hot garbage
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I’ve only seen scattered “highlights” and watched most of USA men’s vs. Poland, and totally agree its hot garbage, but mostly because the individual players are not very good. And in the case of the US men, far below what we could potentially send. Curious if that’s your issue too, or is there something about the rules/structure of the Olympic version that’s also bad?
Goes way beyond the caliber of the players for me. Though that’s probably part of it. And worth noting the other countries aren’t sending their best either, not like there are any euro league guys there.
But I just don’t like the rules, the short run time which makes it super high variance. The ball is smaller. They have to punish fouls harshly because otherwise there would be tons of fouls, but then that puts the games almost in the hands of the refs, which isn’t fun either.
3 on 3 is fun to play, good for development of younger players as well. But should not be an olympic sport. It’s like pickleball
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Can’t disagree with any of that. The smaller ball is bizarre, wasn’t aware of that.
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The refs started calling games in favor of Spain shortly after USA went up 8-4 and cruising.
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