2022 NBA Draft Discussion

GR3 isn’t still in the league, though being picked 40th and being a fringe rotation player for six years is pretty well aligned.

Overall Beilein players did end up fulfilling that reputation of excellent college players who were mediocre pros. I think that’s a fair thing to be mindful of when ranking draft prospects. I also think it is because Beilein maximized the offensive talent of his players and put them in a system to showcase that. In addition to your list of Beilein “under achievers” you could also consider Darius Morris and Moe Wagner. To me, Iggy was pretty much “correctly drafted” in that he was a 2nd round pick who’s still hanging around the league 4 years later but isn’t a rotation player. Levert, however, has played to his draft position better than most.

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As Schmitz would be the first to tell you, the NBA Draft is awfully good at making everyone who tries to say anything about it look maximally terrible. Consensus at the time even among the statistically inclined was that Poole was a bad pick in the first round. Warriors bloggers were not enthusiastic. And they looked extremely correct when he was one of the absolute worst players in the league. C’est la draft.

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Any draft that focuses so much on young, unproven players with “potential” is going to have a really spotty record of accurate projections. The NFL is probably better overall even though I wouldn’t call them “good” - mostly because they draft older players and have much larger rosters. The MLB and NHL have much more robust minor league systems and there’s no expectation of their draft picks making an immediate impact.

The NBA has short rosters and only two rounds of a draft, combined with a minor league system that has only been remotely competent for a few years. Thus their “bust” rate was higher and probably still is. Poole is essentially an outlier given his unique pathway from college to stardom over the past 3 years.

I’m surprised there isn’t more interest or push toward a draft-and-follow system that would seem to benefit all parties and has proven to be pretty successful in two other sports.

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In this context it should make us appreciate even more what JB was able to cobble together during his tenure.

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You think THJ has only “played up to his billing” in the NBA. Me, I think that making $150 million for playing in the NBA by one’s early 30s, with perhaps time left to make more, is well above the likely expected result for a 24th pick in the draft.

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100%. (Tim has had a better career than Caris).

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Yeah, my totally non-scientific comparison between draft pick and expectations (met, above, below) is listed here:

  • Morris (41) - below
  • THJ (24) - above
  • Burke (9) - below
  • Levert (20) - met
  • Stauskas (8) - below
  • McGary (21) - below
  • GR3 (40) - met
  • DJ (17) - below
  • Moe (25) - met?
  • Livers (42) - INC
  • Poole (28) - uh…below…then above…then way above
  • Iggy (47) - met
  • Franz (8) - INC

Moe was the hardest one for me. He hasn’t been good and has bounced around, but he’s still a fringe rotation player in the league as a late first rounder after his first deal so maybe he met expectations?

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Caris has exceeded expectations, especially if Moe is considered having met them.

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Especially when there was a real question about whether his body would cooperate. When a guy missed big chunks of his last two years of college, it’s a roll of the dice.

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I would say Caris is at met-ish, bordering on exceeding

and Mo below

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Well, I don’t know about you guys, but I personally made…WHAT, did you say $150 Million? OK, forget about it! :rofl:

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Looking at players who were taken at 20 over the last 10 years:

2012- Evan Fournier
2013- Tony Snell
2014- Bruno Caboclo
2015- Delon Wright
2016- Caris
2017- Harry Giles
2018- Josh Okogie
2019- Matisse Thybulle
2020- Precious Achiuwa
2021- Jalen Johnson

I’d put either Caris or Fournier at the top of the list. The numbers are very close., with Thybulle in 3rd.

So, at least vs. other 20th picks, I’d say he’s above expectations.

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Big fan of Dalen Terry ever since Vegas. He’s just about the perfect basketball player without a jumper. Love his defense, energy and passing.

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Feels like there are about 100 underclassmen staying in a draft of 60 people.

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Have there been many people who announced that aren’t top 45ish picks? I can’t think of many outlandish decisions.

Jaden Jones

Meant Toledo guy

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Missed this one earlier. Like his game.

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