2019 - Wing - Franz Wagner (Commit)

I think allowing a 2nd OV would be the best solution.

It gets messy when you start letting one coach do things no one else can match. Maybe allow the new coach to visit his current commits, but Wilson is a free agent.

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Does not have to be broad, say limited to players who signed NLI and asked for release before the new coached were hired, or only those who have OVed with the previous staff. I don’t see how this can be abused.

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I’m not sure the belief being expressed on here that Coach Howard can’t visit Wilson and Bajema is correct. As I mentioned on another thread, my son had a signed NLI to a major university in the south, the coach who signed him was fired. The university flew the new coach up to Michigan to meet us. Now, this WAS a minor sport and it was 28 years ago, so the school might have violated a rule figuring no one would care, or the rules could have, probably did, change. Sometimes it’s mind boggling trying to figure out the reasoning and rationale behind some of the things the NCAA does. Just seems like a no brainer to me that the new coach would have the opportunity to meet players who were not only committed but had signed an NLI with the school.

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sorry, don’t know the answer to any of these questions. From what I heard, it was pretty much a family get-together with Moe being in town and a bunch of confusion surrounding the state of the program.
For what it’s worth: Coach B let Franz know about him taking the Cavs job on the eve before boarding the plane and Franz decided to go through with the visit regardless.

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I think when you make exceptions, you want them to conform to the normal rules as much as possible. Allowing one school’s coaches to make recruiting visits when everyone else has to stay home doesn’t fit that.

Writing the rule gets messy when the new hire is made right up to deadline. If say Juwan was hired a day before the quiet period started, does he have to make his visits then? If he can wait, what if he was hired a week before? What if the recruit decommits right after the hire is announced? Shouldn’t the new coach get the same chance to change his mind?

I always assume schools will find a way to abuse a rule. You need to write them carefully. Wilson is close to RJ Hampton. Maybe his family is too. Would it be permissible to arrange for his parents to be at the Wilson’s?

Just allow a 2nd OV whenever there’s a coaching change. The recruits don’t have to decommit to take one. They can take an OV anywhere else. The new coach gets a little help, but the playing field stays level. You don’t have to worry about the timing. It applies to Zeb Jackson too.

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I’m not 100% certain of the recruiting calendar like I use to be but this may be a dead period for coaches to do home visits or contacts as the NCAA refers to them as. Some of it depends on the amount of times Beilein and his staff have either had a contact or evaluation with Wilson throughout the year. The most amount of combined contacts and evals is 7.

It’s the dead period now. The quiet period starts Saturday.

What is the difference between the “dead period” and the “quiet period”?

Dead period means no in person recruiting contacts of any kind.

Quiet period means in person recruiting contacts are restricted to campus.

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Working on a recruiting story for this afternoon, will have some clarification in there.

In short: Dead = no in-person contact. Quiet = only in-person contact on campus.

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Thanks hoops. I just find the NCAA a little confusing at times. To think that a new coach comes in, at any school, not just Michigan, and has two kids signed to NLI’s, kids who literally could (would) come in for summer session at the school they have signed NLI’s with, and that NEW coach can’t go their homes and meet with them and their parents, is to my way of thinking, really stupid. Again, doesn’t matter that it’s Michigan. It could be anywhere, and I’d struggle to understand the reasoning.

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FWIW, Jalen Wilson is not signed to a NLI. He was released from it.

Your third paragraph is interesting to me. When my son’s coach came up to meet us, way back in 1991, we picked him up at the airport in Detroit, drove home via Flint, picked up a friend of my son’s who was also an outstanding national caliber player in my son’s sport, and that young man spent the weekend with us, too. AND, he ended up getting a small scholarship offer from the coach! Probably completely illegal. I probably should be in jail! :smile: Interestingly, the new coach, the one who flew up to visit us and who met and recruited my son’s friend on that visit, was a retired FBI agent! I kid you not! :smiley:

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So that’s already been done? I knew he had requested his release, but I didn’t know that request had been granted yet. Of course, it doesn’t change my position on the NLI thing, but, yeah, I can understand Juwan not being able to do an in home with Wilson if there is no longer a valid, singed NLI. Those used to be binding, but then I guess nothing’s binding anymore. Not even coaching contracts. And if coaching contracts aren’t binding, I guess NLI’s shouldn’t be either, but I know that’s been discussed before.

This explains a lot, @silverblue. We all knew you were as dirty as they come!

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Can he meet them at a diner?

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:smile::smile::smile::smile: You betch! But don’t tell anyone, certainly not the NCAA or the FBI! :wink:

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Perhaps Metzgers?

The NCAA views it as a student-athlete committing to a school, not a coach, so in its interpretation the school has had its chance to impress the student-athlete. Under that interpretation of the recruiting process, you can see why the NCAA would not be interested in making any changes to the process — basically the NCAA doesn’t see the process as flawed

Just another example of the NCAA putting the student-athletes first. No mind that athletes playing in a completely different system than what they signed up for could make a major impact on their future.

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