I agree with bounce, and I think this can be addressed. Frankly, I think Michigan is addressing it right now. Whether he will come back to Michigan and play in Ann Arbor is yet to be determined, but I think right now Harlond Beverly is being made a real priority and is being shown “the love” as they say.
There are opportunities here that might not have been there before. We took Bajema because we needed a shooter of his ability, and he was “blowing up” but right now a player of Beverly’s ability would look very good in Maize and Blue next year, and it soften the blow of the loss of JP. This is a young man with outstanding athletic ability and basketball skills who is also “blowing up.”
Just my opinion. I know there are people who think it’s a steep uphill climb, but it’s certainly a climb worth taking.
Lot of times people who cover teams feel like they have to sell themselves to readers and often do so by referencing things the common guy might not really know. Without knowing more, I consider the comment about “doesn’t like big ten ball” as such.
Beverly hasn’t been offered by either instate school to this point. I’m thinking he may have had a problem with that. UM and MSU are both big ten teams. Presto: doesn’t like big ten ball.
It’s on the person passing on that stuff to get to the meat of the message. See first point for reasons why he might not want to.
Anyway I dismissed that comment out of hand.
MSU plays nothing like UM.
Neither play anything like OSU or Iowa or Indiana or Minnesota or Illinois or Penn State.
Georgia is in play right? Didn’t Crean just leave Indiana?
A real non-starter IMO. At least that comment was.
The stuff Snow said regarding the Big Ten is somewhat true. Outdated though. One of Beverly’s top options is Indiana and they are planning to try to do an official visit there.
I agree and have even said it on this website that Michigan has a lot of ground to make up with Beverly but to say they have no chance is not correct. From what I’ve heard is that Michigan is trying to get him on a official visit but i don’t think both sides have come to an agreement on a date as of Thursday.
Beverly is on an official to Georgia currently and it’s going pretty well. For the last month or so they’ve been my pick as to where he lands but his recruitment Is still pretty fluid. The longer it drags on the better for Michigan.
It’s technically true that Beverly’s Family has seen other conferences outside the Big Ten as potentially being better suited to Harlond’s style. Just playing at a faster tempo with more emphasis on transition basketball. But it’s not as strong of a factor as Snow makes it out to be. Indiana is probably in his top 3 or 4 right now and Michigan isn’t too far behind. How the coaches have developed guards in the past and if they run lots of pick and roll offense is a factor as well and those don’t really involve tempo.
There are a lot of factors Beverly and the family are looking at.
To sum it up I think what Snow said was correct but a lot of that info is a little outdated. And Alabama is not a major player for him as of now unless another guard leaves. Michigan has made up a decent amount of ground but are still playing catch up and aren’t where I’d say he ends up at.
Has Beilein conducted a recent home visit at Montverde with Beverly or with his parents back in Michigan ? Like he has with Justin Pierce the Grad transfer from William and Mary ?
I think the bigten style of play is an issue. I have always felt that Izzo and Bo Ryan drove the league into the abyss. Physical football field type of play with officiating playing the supporting cast. Then you get into the NCAA and the bigten tends to under perform. No championships in 19 years says a lot. Beilien isn’t the same as Izzo and Ryan’s style of play from year’s past and he has made it to 2 NC games. I believe his style of play is typically what yields success in the NCAA. That said, the bigten will be a struggle as long as Izzo is running wild on the league. Maybe having coaches like Hoiberg and Underwood infused into the league will help. As it stands, it is a league with subpar coaching, subpar NBA talent (recently) and a slower rugged style of play
I don’t see it the same way. Beilien has had masterful offenses and is hailed as one of the best offensive minds. When we have shooters, it is a thing of beauty. While he may not run full speed up and down the floor, he has produced offenses that have been ranked in the top 3 or 4 in many years. This year was a downer offensively but it is not the norm.
Not sure it’s fair to say the Big Ten has underperformed in the tournament, although I haven’t seen numbers. I know Beilein and izzo are among the best at performing above seed expectations. Haven’t 5 or 6 different programs have been to the final in that same timeframe. So the Big Ten underperforms in the championship game I suppose, but I wouldn’t say they underperform in the tournament overall.
Not sure how Beverly and his family feel about the Big Ten’s style of play. Obviously that’s a bit misguided because different teams obviously have different styles of play. But with recruiting it is important to remember the key point is whether the recruit (and his people) feel that way not whether the claim is true. So debating the quality of the Big Ten is kind of absent the point because if that is how Recruit X feels, it is how he feels.
True enough that it doesn’t matter what we say, but that seems like the type of issue that coaching staffs are well equipped to address, as long as they know it’s a concern.
Well the overall tempo of the big ten is lower than any other Major conference in D1. We all know it is much more physical, and the scores are generally much lower than other conferences. That’s the “style” I think that is what players or people in their circle mean.
What does this mean? Other than not completing the task and winning a NC, what is the Big Ten’s struggle and how is Izzo’s “running wild on the league” the cause.
I listened to a pod recently with Steve Deace, and he mentioned since MSU won NC, the Big Ten has had as many teams in the FF as any league. (14) I think was the number, with 7 different teams making the FF.
It means that Izzo has pushed a style of play on the bigten and other teams needed to adjust to compete with him (and Bo Ryan) in the bigten. The officials call the game to allow for more physicality. They are intimidated by Izzo (in the bigten IMO). I don’t see teams getting the same talent as other top conferences. It could be for other reasons but I am of the belief that it has to do with the coaches in the league and style of play.
Do you know the last team to win a Nat Champ without having a legit first round NBA pick on the roster (I don’t)? Do you know how many legit NBA first rounders are in the bigten vs ACC or other top conferences. Over the last 10 years, the bigten has averages 2.8 first rounders per year. The ACC is approx double that amount. If you look at how many lottery type players are in the bigten, it might even be a more pronounced difference. Last year the bigten had a good year with 4 NBA first rounders. Compare that to Villanova having 4 in the top 33 picks. Maybe Hoiberg will help. Painter is growing on me after the great job he has done over the past 2 years but his performance in the NCAA’s hasn’t been that good. In general, the coaches in the bigten underperform in the NCAA with the exception of Izzo and Beilien (my guess).
So perhaps those draft numbers show how good the big ten and the coaching is. They have the most final fours in the 2000s with fewer pros. The stats don’t support your perceived notions about the big ten struggle in the tourney unless you are placing all of your eggs in the NC basket.
Izzo has had a masterful run of getting to the final 4. I wasn’t one who believed they were going to win it this year due to no NBA first round players. Izzo does a masterful job of out coaching most guys in the tournament. He then runs into a solid coach with NBA talent and loses. I think worst record in final 4’s. I do place a lot on winning the NC. I do believe you need NBA talent. Over the last 10 years, the bigten has had good success at getting to Final 4. 2 coaches in the bigten currently have got their team to the final 4 (Beilein and Izzo). This is all just slicing data to support an argument. My overall belief…you need NBA talent to win it all and the bigten is lacking. If I had to bet on the next coach to get their team to the final four out of the bigten coaches outside of Izzo and Beilien…I wouldn’t know where to start. OSU or Purdue? Maybe Nebraska