I’m dead serious, how does Michigan not jump MSU with a win tomorrow?
No worse than 6-6 in Q1, MSU would be 3-4. Michigan would have the road win and neutral win head to head. Michigan would have by far a better road resume. I would assume Michigan jumps near the top 10 in kenpom as well - therefore not far behind.
How again would MSU deserve a higher see IF that happens?
There’s definitely a case to be made, I think the fact that Michigan would have twice as many losses would be the argument against it. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Would have to win the game first, too.
Should be very interesting for sure. I would be really curious to see what happens if they get the W tomorrow.
Would always prefer ‘good wins’ were rewarded over ‘avoiding bad losses.’ The NCAA Football playoff committee really put a damper on that movement.
I have a feeling that Izzo would agree with me, based on his typical non-conference scheduling, every year ~except~ this year.
I would guess that we would jump them. The committee doesn’t generally fall for weak schedules.
Yeah and I think they are. Michigan State is just going to be a really weird case come Selection Sunday. Especially w/ their predictive metrics looking really good.
I asked the guy who runs bracketville.com a couple questions about MSU and Michigan. He’s ranked #1 on bracketmatrix over the last 5 years.
He said while there are obviously a lot of moving parts, he would guess a 4 seed is as high as Michigan can get because of who is on the 2 and 3 line. And he also said since MSU was a 3 seed at the last bracket reveal and since MSu hasn’t lost since then, that MSU will fall to a 3 at worst if they lose today.
Can anyone explain why Cincinnati is rating a 2 or 3 seed? A home victory over Houston is their only decent win.
EDIT: NM, Just misread the team sheet but probably because they’re 5-4 in Q1 and don’t have bad losses.
LOL. not hard man. 5-4 in Q1 including 3 on the road… and a perfect 8-0 in Q2 games. Their resume` is certainly a tier above ours.
Yes, unfortunately for the optimists on our board… a 3 seed seems unreasonable even with a BTT title. maybe we can play up to a 4. But 5-6 seems to be where we’re at now.
Some easy concepts are very difficult for some people, lol.
I don’t think people like myself are saying Michigan should/could get a 3. What I’m saying is Michigan St should fall behind Michigan if they lose today.
If people want to use the losses argument, usually every bad loss equals one good win. Do that with Michigan’s resume and they still look better than MSU.
This is all moot if Michigan loses today, but that’s the point I’m making. Not a 3 seed optimism.
I’m not so sure about that, I’d say a bad loss hurts more than a good win helps.
Yeah I feel you there… i didn’t think that you were envisioning a 3 seed though… just some others on this forum 
Wanted to let them down gently if they inferred your post meant us jumping up to a 3.
Yeah, I get the raw numbers in broad categories, but the fact remains that they haven’t beaten anyone better than Houston. That’s not much of a win sheet for a team that’s supposed to be one of the 8 best in the country. They avoided bad losses, but they have zero really good wins.
Be honest, are you really more impressed with their resume than ours?
I think if UM wins tomorrow we might jump MSU. We’d have 8 quadrants wins to 3. 12 quadrant 1/2 wins compared to 9. Have to see how the RPI/KP numbers end up, but we’d probably be right there. Just as many road/neutral wins. Plus there would be the MSU issues vs Beilein’s purity.
Haha all good! I still don’t think Michigan is a 3 even with a win tomorrow. However, NOW we can debate if they should be ahead of MSU. We all know my vote.
Two double digit wins head to head, neither at home. They can’t hide between their UNC and Purdue win anymore. Michigan is the better team with a better resume now.
Ours isn’t too bad for a team that isn’t real impressive…
We’ve got to be a 4 seed now, right?