Yeah, if you look at the breakdown over here 2017-18 Roster Breakdown
I think the importance of a guy that can really defend fours is so important and Livers would obviously fill that need. He also gives you a lot of flexibility with who else you take on the wing in the class and I’d be okay with just about anyone paired with Livers.
The more I look at the roster, the more I think that Charles Matthews will probably play the majority of his minutes at the three as well, especially early on.
Anybody know what sort of percentage Livers shoots from 3?
Livers shot 37% from three in the EYBL on 62 attempts. He also shot 52% on mid-range jumpers and 65% at the rim.
Not really a huge volume offensive player (at least on Meanstreets), but he hit shots from every level. Note, he played with Bowen and Eastern for Meanstreets.
Breaking people down off the dribble is great, but players can be very productive even if that’s not their strong suit. In fact, if you’re a four and that is your strength, you’d better be very good at it because there are likely to be guards/wings on your team designated for that role.
Livers reminds me a bit of Watford from IU a few years back.
Livers has very nice elevation on his jump shot. Even when he shoots unguarded 3’s, he gets up high. This is not very common for a 6-8 guy and will help a lot in the Big 10.
Livers would be a nice addition to UM. Matthews and Livers have complementary skillsets and I think they would make a nice combination on the floor.
I was going to say that’s one of the things I like over Young. Livers can really some real lift on his jump shot. Young seems to be a guy that would have trouble creating space with his jumper against bigger/more physical players.
Think that’s also why he’s such a good mid-range jump shooter, generally those shots are more contested and given his size, length and elevation he can just shoot over people.
Typically the penetration is dominated by the backcourt, but we don’t seem to have a ton of those players on our roster going forward. I think getting one at the three or four would be very beneficial for the function of the offense. And you don’t necessarily need to be better than a guard if you’re a four because you may be guarded by a slower player than someone in the backcourt would be.
I don’t disagree that don’t you have to have dribbling and penetration skills to be a good player. But we also can’t have a roster full of those types. We’ll have MAAR and potentially X on the 2017-18 team. Maybe Brooks and Poole can do that a bit as well. But Matthews is more of a slasher. I’d prefer to get one of Cain or Tillman to fill this. Specifically Tillman because he gives us versatility with the last spot if he were to commit.
I’ll disagree on the we don’t seem to have many backcourt/wing penetrators going forward comment. Simpson, Matthews and MAAR for a year are all guys who are much better off dribble penetration than as spot up shooters, and Watson may fall into the same category.
In addition to what MHoops1 said, we’ll have other players who could succeed in PnR settings. For instance, I’d like our chances better having Poole running a PnR to Livers than Tillman trying to break a college 4 down with Poole spacing the floor as a shooter.
Yep. The “4” in Beilein’s offense isn’t going to be handling the ball on the PnR; his role will either be finish at the rim or hit the shot on the pop. Or to be a floor spacer and hit shots when the ball is swung around the perimeter.
The bigger issue for that position is finding someone who can compete on the glass and defend B1G caliber power forwards. In this system, those are more important skills for the position than a “4” who can break guys down off the dribble, IMO.
In a Steve Fisher offense, for example, it was more important to have a Chris Weber or Mo Taylor or Robert Traylor who could take opposing bigs off the dribble. Different fits for different systems.
I think he does much more than break people down. He’s a nice rebounder , who can run the floor,plays with energy and an drop his body into your chest and power up. I don’t see many of those Guys onour roster. The dribble/ creating and passing is just a bonus. He looks good on the pop too. Toughness, let’s get some. I don’t see a negative in his game for us.
Yes! A great fit at the 4 in our system. Obviously this means no Young or Tillman (most likely) but I’m still excited to get an in state guy like Livers when he has a 100% MSU crystal ball.
Having only watched highlights tapes can anyone give the general scouting report on him? I saw be shot over 40% from 3 in the EYBL, but those jumpers made up most of his video. Does he have an inside game?
Not ecstatic about this. Hopefully we are still in the running for one of the 5 star guys.
By his own account, Livers is a shooter and rebounder. If he can do those two things well he will have a role waiting when he gets on campus.
Dreaming big ( a fav pastime) his game reminds me of Robert Horry
Good luck with that Eeyore.
Good luck with that Eeyore.
Echo chamber
Sweet. Good news. Excited to land a solid in state prospect. I know Sam Webb said Michigan may hold out a spot for the 5 stars but do you expect them to go full bore after Cain or Smith (assuming he gets offered when he visits) and try lock up another wing player? Could Livers and Young fit together too or do you think we need a more athletic wing player?