The State of UM Basketball


#1369

Looks like the lack of minutes has Ibi working hard.


#1370

About right what I think too. Start in the 20-25 range but I can imagine an optimistic take in all the preview magazines.

The “if Xavier Simpson can be solid or if Charles Matthews can step in to form a three headed monster 3 through 5, this has the makings of a top 15 team/second weekend talent.”


#1371

I think Watson knew the depth chart he was signing up to compete against. If he works hard next season, with MAAR & Robinson playing out Senior year eligibility, Watson has a path to playing time in '18-19 as a 3rd year player in the system and (at that point) a 2x Camp Sanderson summer training participant.


#1372

Can’t see that. MAAR just does not have the vision or handle to play the point.


#1374

Let’s see what Watson looks like next fall before we count him out.


#1375

Watson will be fine. I thinking him and Davis will be much better then people realize.,that said Poole and Ibi have no shit to supplant MAar. Your completely undervaluing him. I expect him to be very good next year on a whole. I actually think Poole is the one who might not play much.

MAar will go up in value even more if we start to fastbreak more with x which would be wise as that’s our strength


#1376

Yea I wouldn’t be surprised if Ibi moved on. Not saying it will happen, but Attrition is more and more common these days and Michigan has been no stranger to it under JB.
It also wouldn’t be a surprise if Ibi made a huge leap forward and earned more PT.


#1377

I don’t think it’s this year if he does if ever. Ibi will be fine. He needs to get comfy like x did late. Also I think x is a perfect pg for him. Ibi looks to me like he will shine in a fast breaking style offense. Something I expect for the next three years with x at pg.

Everyone seems to be overlooking him for Jordan and I think that’s a mistake. Also seeing that picture of him getting right to work has me very excited. This run obviously taught him something. Glad to see he took it all in and is ready to get better and make his mark.


#1378

If Poole plays over Ibi which I fully anticipate, I could see Ibi being unhappy with his role at the end of next year and potentially looking elsewhere. Ibi could definitely earn the spot and I hope the best for him, love that he is already working, but I’m curious what anyone sees in Ibi that would make them think he’s a better option over Poole next year? I see a + handle, passing ability and shot over Ibi from JP.


#1379

Ha I just added to my post. First Ibi appears to be good in transition to me. He shot horribly this year but that was just nerves to me. He’s obviously a much better shooter. In high school he appeared to be a nice slasher and good at getting his own shot. He’s also a much better athlete imo. Obviously vertically. I think if he works at it he has the athletic tools to become a good defender even if he’s not now.

I think Jordan is going to struggle more then people realize next year. I’m not expecting him to do much besides play 10-15 minutes as a shooter off the bench. Which we need by the way so I’m not knocking that. He will fit well in that facet. I’m very worried he will be a defensive liability though. Much like Duncan last year.

I really loved ibis last high school film. He played well against good competition and looked as if he could create, shoot, pass and fly. I just think it’s foolish to write him off because he looked so lost. I say let him get settled and calm down and we will see a kid who looks much different. I hope he doesn’t leave because he could at least be a good wing off the bench his junior and senior year of Poole dies pass him as people expect


#1380

That’s fair. Yeah I’m sure Ibi has it in him to be much better than he was this year, at least I doubt he could play much worse. As far as Poole goes, I definitely can see him struggling defensively. But I also think there’s an argument he has the best combo of handle, shot and passing ability on the roster next year. He just seems like the perfect pick and roll 2 guard for JB to work with. Needs to get a lot stronger but if X and Ibi don’t make really significant strides and MAAR gives us pretty much what he has been, I don’t think it’s too hard to imagine JB utilizing Poole as more than just a shooter off the bench role. At least I hope lol


#1381

If Watson has a spot in the rotation next season, where are Poole’s 10-15 minutes a game going to come?

8 man rotation imo as of 3-25-17
Wagner
Wilson
Matthews
MAAR
Simpson
Davis
Robinson
Brooks.

if Watson is 9th man in an 8 man rotation, minutes will be sparse for Poole. I guess I could see a small possibility of Watson playing and Poole backing up Simpson at pg, but I don’t expect this to be the case. There is also the unlikely imo scenario of MAAR as backup pg.


#1382

Don’t forget Livers.


#1383

#1384

I’m not forgetting Livers. I was commenting on a scenario of Watson have a role and Poole playing 10-15 minutes as well.

I think it is more likely Livers is the 9th man in the rotation over Watson or Poole


#1385

This may sound crazy but with X and Brooks being big questions at PG do you guys think JB may give Dakich a pitch to stay as someone experienced with the system?


#1386

I give that a possibility of zero. Mostly because Coach Beilein already has said Dakich will be taking a 5th year elsewhere, plus Dakich just isn’t on the same level as the two young pg’s. Unlike Bielfeldt and Spike, I don’t think Dakich will be taking a 5th year at a BIG rival


#1387

At this point it is hard for me to see minutes for Ibi. Is he a 2 or 3. His handle is suspect. And his shot at this point is missing and lets not mention defense.

MAAR is in no way a point guard. Not slick enough with the ball and vision non existent. I see Poole backing him up at the 2.

X and Brooks will have to do a lot of growing up at the point or the team will struggle to get into its offense.


#1388

You never know where minutes are going to pop up. I was just thinking today that I couldn’t remember a Michigan basketball season where the team was more healthy than this one. We didn’t have a single rotation player miss a game for injury that I can remember. It feels like our most significant injuries were Walton’s stitches and Duncan’s black eye.


#1389

We were very fortunate injury wise this year as opposed to past years. Our top 8 guys played in all 38 games. Can’t count on that every year.

If Beilein plays his usual 8 man rotation then you would expect the bench to be a backup PG (presumably Brooks), a backup forward (Robinson) and backup Big (presumably Davis). This of course assumes the return of Wilson and Wagner and that Matthews starts at the 3. However, that would leave our two best recruits in Poole and Livers out of the mix so I’m not sure.

Maybe Beilein goes deeper next season but his MO has been to play at most 8 guys and ride his starters for heavy minutes.