Did Mrs. Kennard edit that
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Yeah, what a weird thing to do lol. Of all the moves heâs made, one of the obviously good ones is a weird one to mock.
Pistons are 100% still tanking. Grant is a great signing at a good price that isnât good enough to prevent them from getting a great pick. If he breaks out offensively like he thinks he will, he will be a huge asset in the third year of his contract to trade.
The five centers thing is a huge overreaction. At least two of them wonât ever play for the Pistons.
Plumlee was bad value but my bet would be he starts, averages good numbers and gets shipped to a contender at the trade deadline for picks.
Rose and Griffin will be gone by end of season at the latest and if they are somehow still on the roster mid-season theyâll get shut down. At the rate Weaver is currently working, they might be gone by tomorrow
Hayes, Svi, Grant, Sekou, Plumlee is a fun, terrible lineup that gets the core rotation guys of the future lots of time immediately. I love it.
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Yea, my first thought was Bey for Kennard makes a lot of sense.
I really donât buy this. Everything theyâve done in FA is indicating that they are going all in on trying to get the 8th seed. Trading for two contracts just to stretch them in order to fit in veteran players at outsized prices is very much indicative of that. The Pistons are going to keep Rose and Griffin and go hard for that 8 seed. But theyâll end up with probably the 8th pick and be back where they were 3 years ago.
Probably the worst Pistons offseason in the post-Billups era.
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Itâs being reported that Denver offered 3/60 as well and he opted for Detroit.
I just 100% disagree. Guess we will have to wait and see!
Trading Kennard and Brown for a pick and Musa were decisively not âletâs contend nowâ moves. If Blake is on the roster a week from now you may be right. Sounds like thereâs a good chance still that theyâre not done.
And man unless you hate Killian Hayes and Saddiq Bey I donât think you can compare this off-season to the Jon Leuer, Josh Smith or Ben Gordon/Charlie V offseasons.
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If youâre drafting Killian Hayes it kind of is - Rose and Wright are combo guards, and Svi/Villanova guy are 2/3âs.
Kennard was superfluous if they understood their draft.
Yeah thatâs a bold proclamation when the Smith/Leuer and Gordon/Villanueva offseasons led the pistons directly down the path to permanent mediocrity. None of these contracts are as bad as those and they had a pretty good draft on top of that. I donât love not going all in on the tank, but this team should still be very bad assuming Blake and DRose either get traded or just get hurt like they always do.
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I think if Blakeâs on the roster still it will be because they canât get a decent offer or find any buyers. Maybe Weaver sees this and thinks he has to sell him mid season, his value wonât be any lower than right now.
Maybe they let Griffin show the league heâs healthy and let him ball a bit to increase his values then find a better offer from a desperate team looking to make a run.
I think they make the playoffs if they want to, I just donât see the point personally.
You are also often incorrectly over dramatic. Remember the program was about to crater when Beilein up and left?
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I guess what is your read on what is happening? Why sign Jerami Grant for 20 mil a year unless youâre going all-in on competing? Theyâre signing a guy like that to a huge contract to tank?
My issue that makes this probably the worst offseason is that these overpriced vet signings have corresponded with trading away bucketloads of future picks and stretching salaries so that weâll have dead cap for years to come. Usually the Pistons only do one of these three dumb things in any given offseason instead of all at once.
I think Weaver sees him as young enough to stick through the transition. He had him in OKC so he must really value him.
Josh Jackson is an interesting get. Has the potential to be a lockdown defender.
He played solid in spurts last year. Worth a shot off the bench.
Also for those cursing Weavers moves you could always be the Hornets.
Grant 3 yrs for 60 >Hayward 4 yrs at 120
Ouch. Imagine that. For once even Knick fans must feel good.
They got Miles Bridges on a rookie deal and they do that. Teams just get so impatient.
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Youâre really over estimating this roster. Pistons donât have a contract going past 22-23. Dedmon/MacGruder are irrelevant. Thereâs a good chance Rose or Griffin are traded at some point.The protected 1st rounder is top 16 protected the first 4 years, top 10 protected the next 2 years, top 9 protected for 1 year and after that it turns into 2 2nd round picks. They just selected 3 1st round picks that they obviously hope are part of the future.
This is the first time in years and years they have had a plan and want to tear it down. The only 2 players left on the roster from opening night last year are Rose and Griffin(hurt didnât play).
After you get past Rose(still limited), Grant, Griffin this is what you have Okafor/Plumlee/Wright/Dembouya/Jackson/Bradley/Musa/Svi/Hayes/Bey/Stewart
I just gave you a list of 10 guys most likely Lee and Devitis will be in the G League if there is a season. That group of 10 no matter who dresses or plays arenât moving the needle at this point with this team. Itâs going to be one of the worst teams teams (bottom 4) in the NBA which should certainly put them in the running for a guy like Cunningham or Green.
This is probably the best offseason in a long time because in 2 years when the team should be shaping up quite well they will have a bunch of guys on their rookie deals, Griffin gone, Grant 1 year left (yes he will be enticing for a team if they are interested in an expiring contract), last year for Wright, last year for Plumlee. Please tell me how this is such an awful thing.
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These arguments about these moves being 5d chess just donât make sense. Yâall are really stretching to try and fit all these actions together coherently. Why would they massively overpay a guy who fits only as a roleplayer on a contender for 3 years? Or pay 2 times market value for 3 years for a replacement level center (likely lauded as a gritty leader) to start for them? And stretch two players to create dead cap for the next FIVE years (after we just spent forever being hamstrung by Smithâs stretched deal). Because Jerami Grant MABYE could be able to land them a late first 3 years from now??? Really thatâs the explanation? Thatâs insane Twister logic. There are obviously way better ways to handle all this space (like taking on negative assets to receive draft picks) that have been tried and tested. These are clearly all short-term thinking moves as they try to be competitive (wouldnât surprise me if it was a directive from Gores).
It seems pretty clear that what they are trying to do is âbuild for the future AND win now at the same time!â i.e. retool. I imagine that is word for word what Weaver will say whenever he has a press conference. If they had their preference they would make the playoffs this year. This team isnât nearly good enough to make the playoffs, but if Rose and Griffin are playing most of the year, it isnât nearly bad enough to be top 4 bad. Even the Pistons this year with Griffin pretty much not playing all season were only the 5th worst. If you want to be in that top 3, you need to be TRYING to tank. If you arenât trying to and are just a bad team, then welcome to the 7th to 9th purgatory the Pistons have been in for the past decade.
I was somewhat hopeful after the draft since I generally liked the players they drafted (although parts of the trades were trash as they gave out second rounders like candy), but after FA itâs clear this franchise doesnât have the discipline it takes to be bad.
If Rose and Griffin are flipped for nothing/assets in the next week or so (training camp isnât too far away!), then Iâll personally rebut everything Iâve said. But nothing thatâs happened post-draft points to that being the plan.
The plan appears to be to establish a high motor, defensive team. Grant is a 3andD guy. Bey projects to be. Josh Jackson has potential in that regard. Stewartâs rep is a high motor big thatâs efficient around the basket and has a good block rate. Plumlee generally fits as a high motor big.
That being said, Dzazan Musa over Bruce Brown doesnât fit that narrative. Nor does Okafor, And I would rather have the younger Christian Wood, then Grant.
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Pistons were on the cusp of being the worst team in the east before the season stopped. They were tied with the Hawks and they actually have a young star in Young to go along with Capela/Gallinari/Rondo/Collins/Okwongu/Hunter/Reddish. I can guarantee you the Hawks are much better than these Pistons. Golden State won 15 games last year I sincerely doubt they have the worst record in the league again. Griffin can still be a good player but people confuse him for a guy in his prime and he isnât that. Heâs a guy that relies more on being a stretch 4 with some occasional bully ball. He can still be a good player but he canât play 35+ mpg anymore heâs probably closer to 28-30 a night.
Pistons were firmly entrenched to be in right in that hunt for a top 3 lottery pick before the stoppage hit.