What many of you call reasonable, really means delusionally biased. Notice no one argued against Wolverine3 saying an absolute statement like "And there is no way MAAR has more long term potential then AD" ... but somewhere along the line Dawkins became this 5* future Kobe Bryant player on this board.
Its all see through and shameful.
We’ve seen a few minutes of practice drills and scrimmage. There’s not much basis to project a player’s entire Michigan career with the kind of absolutism that a few have tried to do here. I limited my brief comments to a few positives I saw in a few players, e.g. Irvin’s increased athleticism. If people want to say MAAR will be one of the best guards in the B1G or Dawkins will have a much better career than MAAR, that’s their option. But I think that there’s precious little to go on with a lot of these kids, particularly the freshmen, especially when you look back at the tremendous strides some of our past players have made in the first year or two. Imo, that is a reasonable stance, not shameful in the least. Delusion is in the eye of the beholder.
Michigan may not win every game over the next 5 years but they will be right at the top battling until the last week of the season. The culture is established and the system in place for success. The character of his TEAM differentiates UM from so many other programs. Very few distractions creates efficiency and they are so unselfish. Quality teams are hard to build not just in hoops but in all facets of life…i would think more people would recognize that fact given the history and legacy of BO!!!
You have Caris as a creator with Stauskas and Walton last year but he isn't going to create this year? I think Caris, Walton and Chatman can be the 3 creators you're looking for.
Oh, and Tim wasn’t exactly a creator)more like a scorer) and I think Zak Irvin will compare very favorably to Timmy when it is all said and done.
You have Caris as a creator with Stauskas and Walton last year but he isn't going to create this year? I think Caris, Walton and Chatman can be the 3 creators you're looking for.
Oh, and Tim wasn’t exactly a creator)more like a scorer) and I think Zak Irvin will compare very favorably to Timmy when it is all said and done.
If Zak is anywhere near a 11-12 AST% I’d be shocked
We don’t have to have three creators, Stauskas did not do as much as a freshman. The year before, only Trey and Hardaway, neither Stu nor Novak are creators. Hardaway was not much a creator as Freshman, it was Morris mostly.
Remember that Beilein used to run a two guard offense with no PG.
Dawkins was a 6’4 guard who lacks skill to play Guard in high major, now he is a 6’6 forward pushing 6’7, and a poor man GRIII. His shooting is good but not at the elite level, which is an aspect that he can also improve.
MAAR’s initial contribution might come from the defensive end, but he has a long way to be effective in offense. Robinson quite the opposite, should be able to plug in to the offense immediately but defensively challenge.
I also don’t agree that there is a required 3 creators per team for possible success. Ability to create is always an asset but the staff will work with the pieces they have…Even if there was a magic formula of 3 creators per team you are worried about 2015 when we have not even begun 2014, we still have a scholarship to give in '15, and another scholarship might open up because of nba draft 2015 or some other reason. Things might work out where Robinson is the worst player on the team…Does that mean we are will not be a good team? You act like he is definitely going to be playing major minutes…I don’t know, for the sake of argument, let’s assume Robinson is one of the the worst player on the team in 2015. Does this make his offer a bad idea? I don’t know: Did we lose the national championship game because Matt Vogrich wasn’t a good defender and because Blake Mclimans didn’t have good hops?
I was going off the scenario of Robinson as starter and a banked scholarship
What many of you call reasonable, really means delusionally biased. Notice no one argued against Wolverine3 saying an absolute statement like "And there is no way MAAR has more long term potential then AD" ... but somewhere along the line Dawkins became this 5* future Kobe Bryant player on this board.
Its all see through and shameful.
We’ve seen a few minutes of practice drills and scrimmage. There’s not much basis to project a player’s entire Michigan career with the kind of absolutism that a few have tried to do here. I limited my brief comments to a few positives I saw in a few players, e.g. Irvin’s increased athleticism. If people want to say MAAR will be one of the best guards in the B1G or Dawkins will have a much better career than MAAR, that’s their option. But I think that there’s precious little to go on with a lot of these kids, particularly the freshmen, especially when you look back at the tremendous strides some of our past players have made in the first year or two. Imo, that is a reasonable stance, not shameful in the least. Delusion is in the eye of the beholder.
Players don’t generally get good at ballhandling with age.
I wasn’t dissing Vogrich at all, gtfomycourt, nor was I using him for either side of the argument here…I just think that his sophomore season is a good example of what we can expect from Duncan Robinson.
Ok, fair enough…but I still think Zak given more opportunities to do more, he will create more. In addition, there is no guarantee Caris bolts either. But assuming Caris leaves, I’m 100% confident with a lineup of Walton(jr), Irvin(jr) and Chatman(so). 100% a-ok with that group.
I am sorry I did not have a chance to read your post referencing Vogrich. I see it now. It was purely coincidental that I was also talking about Vogrich and defense. My point, meant for Guestavo, was simply that I believe our team will be good regardless of how good Robinson will turn out to be. Similarly, our recent final four team’s success was not dependant upon every recruit meeting the staff’s expectations they had of them when they were originally recruited. In other words, I am excited about the players we have and I believe if time proves that one of the new recruits is not as good as the staff expected we will be ok because all 12 are not going to play major minutes anyway…You do bring up a good point though regarding the dissing of players. I am more comfortable calling it like I see it after I have seen it–and after the boys graduate and are men. I am less comfortable making wild and negative speculations about someone who is coming out of high school. I wish all of these young players the best of luck. I really believe they can reach their full potential here and I really believe they were recruited for good reasons. Work hard Freshman because anything is possible!
What many of you call reasonable, really means delusionally biased. Notice no one argued against Wolverine3 saying an absolute statement like "And there is no way MAAR has more long term potential then AD" ... but somewhere along the line Dawkins became this 5* future Kobe Bryant player on this board.
Its all see through and shameful.
We’ve seen a few minutes of practice drills and scrimmage. There’s not much basis to project a player’s entire Michigan career with the kind of absolutism that a few have tried to do here. I limited my brief comments to a few positives I saw in a few players, e.g. Irvin’s increased athleticism. If people want to say MAAR will be one of the best guards in the B1G or Dawkins will have a much better career than MAAR, that’s their option. But I think that there’s precious little to go on with a lot of these kids, particularly the freshmen, especially when you look back at the tremendous strides some of our past players have made in the first year or two. Imo, that is a reasonable stance, not shameful in the least. Delusion is in the eye of the beholder.
Players don’t generally get good at ballhandling with age.
Are you saying that Dawkins cannot improve his handle; he’ll never get any better than he is today? I’m not even sure right now how good his ball handling skills are. In our offense, a 3 has to handle well enough to utilize a ball screen, to drive to the hoop and finish on a back door cut, to turn the corner if the defender goes over the high ball screen. There’s a lot we don’t know yet. Crazy to pigeon hole kids who just got here.
With Burke, he had the ball in his hands a lot, most of the time really.
Still does not mean the threat of 3 creator does not add dynamic to offense and affects defensive gameplans
Absolutely your right. In a perfect world all four of our perimeter guys would be able to run a pick and roll, or atleast 3 of them. Personally, I am happy and excited of the possibillity of what Kam can bring from that left side. His shot and handle looked great in the practice clips and being able to have two guys curling from the corners to the middle could really pose a threat from all angles this coming year anyways, kind of how the Spurs would continually wheel the ball around side to side and kick it back out if nothing was there. When Glenn was handling, other than maybe once a game he really didn’t look like a serious threat to take it at you to the hole, his left hand just wasn’t good. But even for him JB figured out a way to fly him through the middle of the floor to his strong side on left side of floor on the elbow and kind of face him up and attack. That was him getting a guy in right area for him to be successful. With Nik he did that curl-dribble hand off, and while he will be a little bit better attacking than say Duncan or Irvin, because of their shooting ability when the switch comes they can still make the pass or if given space knock down the shot. So even though maybe not the greatest creators, with these little actions in the offence, they are given the chance to do things off of 2 or 3 dribbles in their comfort zone.
I don’t see Dawkins has a good handle. certainly not good enough to play guard in high major, none of his highlight shows much about his handle. considering the resource Dawkins has had growing up, I doubt Beilein has the magic on his handle, except teach him how to use it to his advantage with what he already has.
What many of you call reasonable, really means delusionally biased. Notice no one argued against Wolverine3 saying an absolute statement like "And there is no way MAAR has more long term potential then AD" ... but somewhere along the line Dawkins became this 5* future Kobe Bryant player on this board.
Its all see through and shameful.
We’ve seen a few minutes of practice drills and scrimmage. There’s not much basis to project a player’s entire Michigan career with the kind of absolutism that a few have tried to do here. I limited my brief comments to a few positives I saw in a few players, e.g. Irvin’s increased athleticism. If people want to say MAAR will be one of the best guards in the B1G or Dawkins will have a much better career than MAAR, that’s their option. But I think that there’s precious little to go on with a lot of these kids, particularly the freshmen, especially when you look back at the tremendous strides some of our past players have made in the first year or two. Imo, that is a reasonable stance, not shameful in the least. Delusion is in the eye of the beholder.
Players don’t generally get good at ballhandling with age.
Are you saying that Dawkins cannot improve his handle;