European Soccer

I am pretty much for anything that gives us less soccer at this point. City is back on again in about 3 weeks for the who cares Club World Cup which potentially goes until July 13th and then the Prem kicks off again August 16th until next May again and then straight into the World Cup.

How can I miss something when it’s never gone? It’s become so ridiculous the amount of matches they are expecting out of players so yeah, I’d be all for a smaller Champions League, but the greediest of people at UEFA will make sure it goes the completely opposite direction.

This has been the first couple of years where I have taken pretty significant breaks from watching, I was completely burnt out after the Euros and then it just keeps right on trucking.

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Expanded Club World Cup is a huge L. No one wants to play in it. Feels like ever since COVID there has been crazy fixture congestion.

Of course, I will obviously end up watching anyways :rofl:

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People only pay attention to the three legs of the treble right (league, UCL, national cup)

I know there are other comps but nobody cares and squads are generally pretty rotated, no?

The CL has existed I some form for like 75 years so I feel like those three are pretty enshrined on the calendar

In England it’s the Quad, CL/League/FA/EFL(Carabou)

Feels like most clubs in contention do a mix of A and B team for the cups, but anyone mid-table and below seems to bring the A squad to everything.

Pretty sure most countries only have a treble though. The Polka something in Germany, Copa del Ray in Spain and and the Coppa in Italy.

I think it is pretty club-dependent but it is normal to rotate squads for domestic cup games (especially the EFL cup) but I don’t think anyone really knows what to do with the Club World Cup… It used to be a small six team event that was just a one-weekend money grab, now it is a full-on tournament that FIFA is trying to build to somehow compete with UCL and has 32 teams.

Add in the international fixture crunch, new Nations League Tournaments, etc. and there just hasn’t been a ton of free space.

Even the new format added extra games though, right?

Everyone plays 8 group games vs. 6, plus the playoff round now I think.

It’s bigger fir sure but I don’t think the two extra fixtures are a massive workload difference

And yeah, FA and Carabao early rounds are generally very rotated - assume Copa Del Rey, etc are the same

CL generally is a major test of club depth, we’ve seen the mid-week European fixtures break smaller clubs that get in (Newcastle last year, Brighton in Europa)

I mean, it is more games when we should be trying to figure out a way to play less.

I think fixture congestion is absolutely a real problem and the Club World Cup is a huge part of that.

There’s been a huge outpouring of complaints about it for good reason.

I am by no means trying to defend the club World Cup

More saying “let’s boil this down to league, national cup, and UCL”

The vibe I get from the Club WC is the European teams are using it basically as summer scrims and the South American teams are approaching it like the super bowl.

Yeah – it is replacing the preseason tours for the European teams.

I’m sure it’ll be a big deal to non UEFA federation teams.

It’s 2 more games; but 2 less games than 15+ years ago when they had 2 separate group stages.

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Also I think the point about more games is a bit overblown. There used to be 22 teams in the EPL, (4 more games per year) FA Cup matches could go to a SECOND replay if tied twice, as I said Champions League had 2 separate group stages.

My beef is really more with FIFA continuing to expand everything and cram as much as they can into the breaks on the calendar.

The only nice thing about it is we can basically just blow-off the CONCACAF qualifying going forward with 6 freaking teams making it instead of 3 and a playoff. Like the world really needs to see 90 minutes of Nicaragua sh!thousing Portugal to a 0-0 card fest.

Kylian Mbappe :handshake: Patrick Ewing

I think I’d rather just not make a final than get there and lose 5-0

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I’m sorry but it’s so rare to see a guy ring-Chase and then see the team he left IMMEDIATELY win the ring he left to chase (and the team he joined do shockingly poorly))

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Mbappé is a bit of an enigma … an incredible goal scorer (31 goals in the Liga this year) but doesn’t want to defend at all, and needs to be the focal point of the attack or seems to lose interest. He’s nearly won two World Cups so it’s hard to say he’s not a winner, but he’s a tricky guy to build around.

And he and Vini Jr might be the most oil and water pairing of attackers in elite European football…

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It’s funny when you lose “the best goal scorer in the world” and score significantly more often

(Mbappe is hardly the first S tier scorer this occurred to - Tottenham’s scoring increasing the year after losing Kane while Berlin’s declined another example)

I love Mbappe, but as far as number 9s go, he’s more of the 7-9 variety than the 10-9 variety. Which is great and all, but it’s not what this Real Madrid team needed. Mbappe needs someone to play off of – a hold-up 9 like an Olivier Giroud, for example. But Vini needs that, too, and they ultimately just kinda wasted a year of both of their primes. Benzema and Vini were fabulous together, but Mbappe isn’t that kind of forward. We’ll see what Xabi Alonso ends up doing with these two.

But yeah, PSG were just gorgeous to watch. Ruthless pressing team, really quick in transition, confident, played with some panache. I would have loved to see them against Barcelona, or the treble-winning Man City squad from two years ago, if we’re playing hypothetical finals. Inter just had no chance.

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