So you would trade our last five years of hoops for Oklahoma’s? You might be the only one.
Well in a couple weeks Oklahoma might make both.
When you get paid 3.3 mil a year the results better be there!! They aren’t. Recruiting isn’t even average it’s below average.
This is exactly like the Hoke situation. Some people still thought Hoke could do the job and things were looking up in the right direction because kids were going to be a year older, others were screaming to get rid of him. Eventually it became obvious a change was needed. It will become obvious to all by next year.
Over the last 3 years, Oregon has won more tournament games, has a better conference record, a better overall record…and yet this is an exaggeration. That world you live in must be very nice…unfortunately its not the real one. As of March 11, 2016, Oregon is a better basketball program than UM.
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And they have Dana Altaman! Fantastic coach
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This guy literally wants to isolate the scope of JB examination to 2 years…because its obvious the trend is not good, and historically JB is a bubble coach. He likes JB as a person, and that’s fine…but don’t present an argument about recruiting of all things.
Great 2 year run in the tourney no doubt about it. Unfortunately that seems like a long time ago with the product on the court
When evaluating a coach, the chief question is where do you project the program to be for the next 3-5 years. If we’re being totally honest, the program projects to be a bubble team for at least the next 2 years, if not more based on current roster, recruiting, and coaching…there simply aren’t any noticeable improvements in our primary weaknesses, defense (actually getting worse) and recruiting.
And I don’t see anyone demanding national titles. Simply rising above mediocrity…ya know…leaders and best.
Listen, I think John Beilein is an above average/good coach. His biggest downfalls are obviously defense and recruiting…the problem is those things are getting worse rather than better, so how can any one of sound mind objectively project the program to be on the uptick? It simply makes no sense. That being said, I think if we make the tourney next year, you keep JB no questions asked.
I want to be firmly in the tourney fighting for seeding at this time 4 out of 5 years. I want making the second weekend 2-3 times out of those 5 years. Once you make the second weekend you never know team might just continue to advance
This is exactly what the standard should be…a tier below the bluebloods.
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IMO, Ohio State is the standard for us…made it past the first weekend of the tourney 5 of the last 7 years, with 1 F4, 1 Elite 8, 2 Sweet 16s…consistency.
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But wait Matt they cheat and operate in gray areas. Hahahaha
JB is simply a sub-par recruiter that struggles to land talent on a consistent basis, and it has nothing to do with lack of a level playing field. Tom Izzo runs a clean program and he’s cleaning up…there are simply no excuses, end of story.
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Without losing all of our senior leadership and a third of the starting six we are easily in to the tourney this year, quibble though we may about what seed. Caris was in some people’s preseason starting five draft picks.
Prepare for at least two more years of anonymous belly-aching on message boards. The poster is right that Beilein could struggle next year and still have another year; forgive me, but I will continue to wish him the best. And as for Izzo’s “cleanness”: maybe giving woman a very hard time doesn’t count; that’s the case across the sports landscape, so. . .
Yes, I do. Bobby Knight is a pig. Some of us are old enough to remember how fun it was to crush that pig with the Fab Five; he never forgave us. You tell us something about yourself when you say you DON’T care.
Bite your tongue!! Bobby Knight is one of the best coaches in the history of the game!!
I sure do…winning isn’t everything, its the only thing! I’ve never concealed the fact that sports is about winning in my estimation. When I want to debate moral conscious and virtue I’ll consult the works of Locke, Hobbes, etc…but since we’re talking basketball, I’ll stick to the thing that actually matters, you know, winning.
You also reveal a lot about yourself… you would rather have your coach be a nice guy, as opposed to someone that is actually good at the job at hand, which is winning. I always use this analogy - when I’m consulting a surgeon, I want someone that is most likely to perform a successful procedure, irrelevant of bedside manner. In the scope of things, bedside manner just doesn’t matter, the surgeon’s job is perform medical procedures as opposed appeasing the moral high ground of some folks. And its the same with coaches - their task is to win, nothing more, nothing less.
A pig that wins…and I love it.
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Laughable. The coach that has not won a conference title and has only won 2 tournament games during his 5 years has been the better coach? Keep trying.
When Kruger makes it past the sweet 16, let me know. Hell, in his lengthy college coaching career he has only done it twice. The last time was in 1994.