Is Hurley in the tree just because he’s a former player?
You left out the most successful former Duke assistant, Quinn Snyder
And that is the issue. Even a drop from a top 5 class to top 15 and if that leads to less success on the court is going to lead to a very short leash for Scheyer.
You do raise a good point about the coaching tree maybe not being THAT bad. Some success out of those names, but not necessarily sustainable success. Dawkins, Brey, Collins all have some success to lean on but have not been able to grow on that success is what kills them. Regardless, still a failure to be Coach K and have this tree that does not really produce a viable candidate where you have to roll the dice on an assistant.
I’ll be shocked if there is no drop off in recruiting. Yeah they’ll recruit well but coach k was a huge part of the draw to duke. Head coaches are more involved and a bigger draw than in CFB, that’s why I don’t think it’s super comparable to osu football. Football is way more about assistants and your overall recruiting infrastructure.
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Snyder is a great coach which is funny because nobody was saying that while he was at Missouri. Big fan of Snyder.
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Snyder was dirty, which was emblematic of that program for years. He fit right in. Having said that, it’s obvious that he can coach.
I would replace “was” with “is” as I don’t think Cuonzo Martin exactly plays by the rules.
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Not a Tommy Amaker apologist but he was brought in during one of the worst self inflicted take downs of a program as UM laid down on the sword. Amaker’s first couple of years were laughable with all the walkons playing. His offenses were um unwatchable is what comes to mind and he could not get the most out of the talent he started to bring in. Should have made the tourney at least 2 of those years.
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His offenses were awful to watch
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Take a look again. There really weren’t walkons playing. Certianly not like what Beilein worked with when he arrived. Now there were many bad-mediocre players. He recruited pretty well the next 2 years and then not so much.
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I think he took over in some very tough circumstances. MSU was rolling and Michigan had self inflicted penalties and the team really only had Blanchard, Robinson and Young and not much else.
Built up some talent over his years there but the team he left Beilein left was worse than what he inherited. Udoh and Sims were the only talented players left. If JB hadn’t been able to convince Manny Harris to stick with his commitment, the program would have been scary bad.
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With good facilities and good financial support i think amaker would have had um as shaka smart type texas program. Wheels fell off when he coouldnt get um into the tournament after his first few years and um refused to invest in the program. He just had nothing to sell at that point.
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I was surprised he did well at Harvard because those Michigan offenses were just dump it in to Courtney Sims and stand around.
He is doing well because his recruiting is sooooo much better than rest of league that it overcomes his lack of “coaching ability” IMO
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Amaker’s teams in 2006 and ‘07 were loaded with experience and depth and absolutely should have made the tournament. When it didn’t happen either year, it was time to let him go, as we were only going to go downhill the next year. Some coaches get fired and you wonder what would have been if they’d gotten more time, but I think with TA the picture was pretty clear by that point.
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I could see that, but it isn’t setting the bar too high as Smart never won a tourney game at UT.
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Yeah he may have a bigger talent advantage over his league counter parts than any school in the country. Recruiting high major caliber recruits and competing against low major ones.
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Year one was walkons. Mike Gotfeedson started 20 games, Herb Gibson started 5 games
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In 2005 we had 2 walkons playing heavy minutes for a good chunk of the season. It was Dion Harris and a bunch of nobodies in the backcourt.
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That team still had Courtney Sims, Chris Hunter, Brent Petway, Ron Coleman, Graham Brown and then Daniel Horton for half the season. But yeah, Sherrod Harrell and John Andrews getting minutes certainly wasn’t ideal.
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Even though I think the 06/07 team was closer to the tournament (probably in without blowing the final four minutes of the OSU game in regular season finale), that team was 59 in KenPom, while the 05/06 team was 28 (though the NIT run probably inflated that number a little bit).
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