College Basketball Open Discussion

I don’t think this is true at all, he was renowned for building elite offenses

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not via anything schematically. And on stat check, his teams were not that good on offense. In Atlanta over 6 seasons he had one offense that was good and 2 that were bad. The others were middling.

I don’t think you do well with those Atlanta teams without being good with Xs and Os. They were not stacked with stars. Team improved every year he was there. Then in NY, with star power, more inconsistent.

As a Hawks fan their offense in those days was a lot of Isolation for Joe Johnson. I never considered him as a really good offensive strategist

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Just remember that even if he’s mediocre, he’s replacing Archie Miller so he might seem like a genius.

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his nickname is still Iso Joe

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As a fellow Hawks fan, I agree. I just remember him always having a confused / frustrated look on his face when Josh Smith would take long midrange jumpers. I have some friends that are knicks fans that also didn’t like him in his time there.

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Josh smith did not make the growth at about any stage of career that people wanted. Lots of physical gifts.

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JellyFam headed to the NBA

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I’m sure he will be highly coveted

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I just wanted to say that even though Scheyer doesn’t have an official track record he is a stellar coach, recruiter, and player. Better an unproven coach with potential than a proven coach without. If Scheyer fails then the leash will be short and he will get replaced quick but if I was a betting man I would say Jon will be very very successful. Don’t dismiss Duke still competing for 5 star recruits.

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we have no reason to expect him to be a stellar head coach. I mean if he is, why him and not other assistants over 4 decades?

K has a long line of mediocre to bad HCs on his coaching tree. 100% of them were felt to be the next big thing as head coaches.

Well the one big advantage that Scheyer will have over other former assistants is that he’ll get to coach Duke.

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Also, he’ll have Coach K’s support which I assume will come with the support of most of the former players.

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that clearly helps results but it is not like the others were doing well even adjusting for context.

Coach K’s terrible tree is one of the great mysteries. How can an all-time great coach not produce one viable, experienced replacement in four decades? I wonder what K thinks about seeing all these former assistants fail.

Deep down, and he would never say it–seeing all his assistants fail probably reminds K how great he is. Lots of guys in his position would think they are special. Why not? They’ve been told that every day for a year, or a decade or four. Hard to get out of a bubble, but there’s a reason nearly every story is eventually about hubris. (Yow, sorry, very sober.)

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Chris Collins certainly will agree with you :wink:

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I think overall the Coach K tree is unique in how it has bred coaches in some extremely tough situations to succeed.

Johnny Dawkins was at Stanford and I remember when they were really good but their basketball history isn’t the strongest. Mike Montgomery deserves a lot of credit for what he did there. He’s responsible for 12 Stanford’s 18 tourney appearances, Trent Johnson is for 3 of the other 6.

I am not a huge Chris Collins fan but he did get NW to their first NCAA tourney ever. I would be surprised if he gets them to another but I would be equally as surprised if they found another coach not named Collins to get them to the tournament in the near future.

Mike Brey gets a lot of criticism but I thought he was a good hire for ND. He did some real good things, not so much now but that’s another program that was pretty much defined by Digger.

I know some people will take offense but Tommy Amaker might be one of the worst coaches out of the whole coaching tree. With the prestige and history of the Michigan program he failed to get them to a single tournament. This isn’t like Stanford/ND/NW, Michigan had a very good history long before Amaker arrived. Fisher/Frieder/Orr even Dave Strack didn’t have a great career record but he still won the conference a few times and got to some Final Fours. That takes a lot of mistakes, some bad luck, some poor coaching and lack of recruiting.

Then you have a group of Capel, Wojo, Hurley. I don’t think Hurley is that bad of a coach ASU has very little basketball history and has gotten them to some NCAA Tourneys.

It’s too soon to say what Paulus will do and Blakeney is probably doomed at Howard who has zero basketball history.

We don’t know about Scheyer yet but reading some stuff apparently he was doing all the work on the Zion Williamson recruitment. Coach K probably seals the deal but Scheyer has been their lead recruiter for many years. Maybe they don’t bring in #1 or top 5 classes but I would be surprised if he’s not bringing in top 10-15 classes. The only question is if he will do enough at Duke to stick around because the standard Coach K left is probably a standard nobody will come close to.

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I must have missed the memo on Kopp transferring to Indiana. Solid pick up imo. I always liked him.

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