Big Ten Basketball 2021-22 Discussion

If it’s the play I’m thinking of, it was a charge (I think it was Gillis who took it). It was a perfect example of a defender establishing legal guarding position then maintaining it (the two step process that we discussed earlier in the week). Hummel commented that Gillis was moving to his left, and he’s correct. But the key is that Gillis had already established LGP. He was moving to his left to maintain LGP, which is perfectly legal.

People need to stop throwing around the word “set” when discussing charge/block calls. The word means nothing in the context of the rule and I believe it confuses people who hear it into believing that a defender has to be still in order to take a charge. I’ve even heard officials use the word. It has no meaning.

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He’ll get his shots in as an assistant coach in the future.

At this point, they are a good team.

With the Big Ten title on the line, they won in a tough venue against a desperate team.

They don’t even have to beat purdue (though they likely will) and the title is theirs.

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Can I get a UMhoops community pulse check on Big Ten teams you trust most in March?

My rankings would be this:

  1. Wisconsin
  2. Illinois
  3. Purdue
  4. Iowa
  5. Ohio State
  6. Michigan State

(Leaving everybody else out that’s a true bubble team)

I really think Purdue, Iowa and Ohio State are so upset prone just due to defensive issues. I would trust Illinois most if their entire program wasn’t founded on being front runners who underachieve in big moments. I know I shouldn’t be as high on wisconsin as I am but they’re the only team I can see making a Final Four and that’s only if Davis goes nuclear.

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Yes, this is exactly as you explained it to me the other day, so when I saw it and listened to Hummel, I thought…yeah that IS a charge. Sorry for using the word “set” in my question. I usually try to be more careful in my use of words! :wink::slightly_smiling_face:

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Illinois
Purdue
Ohio state
Wisconsin
Iowa

Msu relegated

All that to say, I don’t trust any of them. Would not be surprised if the B1G had one or fewer second weekend teams

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  1. Illinois
  2. Wisconsin
  3. Ohio State
  4. Michigan State
  5. Purdue
  6. Iowa
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Illinois

Purdue=Wisconsin

OSU = Iowa

If the over under on B1G elite 8 teams was 0.5 I’d consider the under.

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Extremely bold take: no big ten team makes the sweet 16

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  1. Illinois
  2. Purdue
  3. OSU
  4. Wisconsin
  5. Iowa
  6. MSU

I don’t trust any of them though. Purdue has a major flaw. The emergence of Branham to give OSU a second weapon gives them the nod over Wisconsin. Wisconsin plays with fire too much. You play with fire every game in the tournament and you’re bound to get burned. Nobody is making the final four. I’ll say 2 teams make the second weekend

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Finale Four: Michigan over Wisconsin (Juwan gives Greg the smuggest handshake). Illinois over Purdue.

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Juwan calls timeout with 7 seconds left and shouts, I remembered that sheet!

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Even bolder take: 1 big ten team makes the sweet 16, and it’s UM. (I actually agree with you).

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Takes on gard as a coach look really bad at this point, he can coach his tail off

All of Wisconsin’s close wins got me to thinking who was the least efficient team in conference play to make the sweet 16 in the kenpom era.

It looks like it was Indiana in 2011-2012 with a eff. margin of +5. Wisconsin is at +2.8 on kenpom right now conference only.

The lowest to make an elite 8 was Wisconsin in 04-05 (+6.8). The lowest to make a final 4 was also Wisconsin in 13-14 (+7.8).

I’m sorry, I just can’t take Wisconsin seriously. We looked like we should have been destroying Wisconsin in the first half of our game. They looked god awful defending the rim and I’m still convinced our wide open bricks just devastated us mentally. Like, that sequence with 4(?) back to back wide open threes clanging the rim knocked the win out of our sails.

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What Wisconsin does works in conference play. It just does. The basketball stuff like Xs and Os and the stuff that officials review and never punish. It’s a resilient system that can do more with less. Is what it is. Hopefully Juwan will soon have his system producing 3-4-year players to complement the young talent, and we’ll have a smoother experience on days when the jumpers aren’t falling.

This may be a homer take but if I were laying money on odds to be a 2nd weekend team, I think Michigan might be the value play. Not knowing the draw of course but with the right draw they could be a miserable out to a 2 seed type team.

Besides that I would still have to think Illinois. Kofi surrounded by shooters and an old team that still stings about last year. If this Branham jump is real, he and Liddell are going to be tough to beat but Holtmann would have to actually win in March.

Purdue would probably be next based on pure talent but they are a prime 2nd round loss candidate due to not stopping anybody (very similar to Iowa last year). Still can’t buy into Wisconsin and there is no way they can make a run playing close games all the time.

And takes like this are just as likely to look poor as anti Gard takes. He’s a pretty good coach. Not great whatsoever. Not bad. But at one point he actually was headed towards a potential hot seat until they really turned their season around in 20. Similar to Belein, except without the long career of success Beilein had prior to the mid season turnaround. He also literally had a senior class revolt last season.

He likely will keep Wisconsin as a top half of the B1G program, usually making the tournament. Hepburn is gonna be their next all big ten guy

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You win 2 b1g titles in 3 years with those rosters, you can coach your tail off. Hes a bad recruiter but hard to deny hes not a great x and o coach at this point.

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