From what I understand, if Izzo didn’t land Swannigan, Davis was very much in play for him as a back up.
Davis said this past fall to my Dad that Izzo was sniffing around quite a bit and even said that Izzo and JB were recruiting him the hardest but hadn’t offered yet.
Again, I think Swannigan to MSU rattled JB. This was a panic offer IMO.
That still doesn’tmake sense to me because then why didn’t JB offer Edwards or another 15 big so that they could be there more for Deyonta Davis and Swanigan?
I just have to imagine there’s something that we just don’t know yet.
Maybe Edwards committing to Georgia made JB speed up his process with Davis?
I’m just speculating and trying to make sense of it all. I realize I’m reaching for straws which is unfortunately what Michigan’s recruiting has become.
Honestly, who gives a shit about the logic behind it? The reality is that irrelevant of attrition, this move just doesn’t make sense from either a roster composition or talent standpoint.
if davis is a primarily back to basket guy, isn’t a great athlete (won’t excel in pick n roll) and you’re loaded with “size” with the back log at 4 and 5, how does this kid even fit into our style?
agree with MattD on pretty much all of this, the puzzling timing of this, irrespective of attrition. unless its as said above, a donnal out, wagner issue and hatch medical. i am starting to worry that some of the success we had recently in indiana with mcgary, robinson and irvin were one off circumstancially beneficial recruiting (novak relationship, meyer, ect). in fact, its why ive been bullish on our chances with brown that we just have too many coincidentally right reasons for jaylen to choose us and praying our staff doesn’t **** it up.
i can’t tell if the recruiting going on right now is full retard or genius.
matt d… to your point, beilein seems to be a great TEACHER, where as matta, izzo, pitino, donovan, calipari are great RECRUITERS (and some better coaches than others).
difference is we need lavall and bacari and meyer to sell kids and yet beilein gets final say, other schools using the headman to lead the dialogue with kids… psychologically, thats gotta be a difference in kids minds we recruit or so it seems with the elite guys at least
From watching the film, I think he is good Big Ten big. Looks to have soft touch and good hands. Doesn’t seem like a great athlete but getting him in the weight room to change his weight a bit will be big. Seems more skilled than Doyle, not quite as athletic, but fits that mold. Looks like he did well at the Adidas Gauntlet event last weekend. It isn’t as good as the EYBL but there still are some really good players. By him doing well, it sped up the recruiting process.
It definitely is puzzling why they would take both Teske and Davis at the same time. Both are true 5’s. Doyle and Donnal are both juniors when they get on campus. The every other year recruiting philosophy holds true again. There is obviously something that we don’t know that is going on. If there is no attrition this summer then look for some next summer.
Remember this guys, if you make a mistake, make a mistake with a big. It isn’t questioned as much as a guard would. Did they make a mistake on someone? I guess we will find out soon.
At this stage it’s totally obvious that there are more moves coming, which negates most or all of the severe negativity that this get has inspired among “fans.” If you’re on here with more than 3 or four posts you may want to seek a life.
The reality is that the wisdom of this move, like several others made by this coaching staff, can't really be determined for awhile. Again, Spike Albrecht and Caris Levert looked like low level recruits, indeed maybe even wasted scholarships, in the spring of 2012. Fast forward one year, and both guys were instrumental in getting us to the Final Four.
The thing that makes Beilein a great scout is his ability to project what a guy will play like in 3-4 years. The problem I usually have with MattD’s analysis is that he will look at current film and, generally, conclude that whatever stage of development that player has currently reached, that’s his ceiling. It’s as if the kid is just frozen in time and his game will never change or improve. And yet with this staff, that has been the exception, not the rule.
This Davis offer could well be a bad move. Who knows? But given our staff’s track record, I think anyone assuming they KNOW for sure it’s a bad move is drawing a very premature conclusion.
I have to say this - though I haven’t ever posted about it, I’ve wondered a few times over the past couple months whether we would have offered Davis if Teske hadn’t already been committed. Whatever he turns out to be, he’s been an interesting prospect for awhile.
I thought it was easy to see the logic in adding Spike and Caris at the time. Same with MAAR and Dawkins. They fit needs and they were coming in late in the process so they weren’t taking a spot from more talented players in that class. The same can’t be said of Davis unless there is some attrition we don’t know about. Even then, I really question the timing of the offer unless the staff knows they are going to get shut out on our top 2016 prospects which is depressing but not unlikely.
Anybody else think JB is just stockpiling guys so he doesn't have to deal with it........basically realizing his own limitations?
I think that’s ridiculous. That’d be lazy, and that’s something I don’t think JB is. There’s gotta be something else going on.
Don’t necessarily think its laziness per se, just might come to the point where JB realizes that whatever he’s selling, the upper tier kids aren’t buying it.
The problem is we have had nothing but mistakes on bigs is J.Bs 8 years J Mo was a contributor Mitch was highly touted. the rest were not good.
From watching the film, I think he is good Big Ten big. Looks to have soft touch and good hands. Doesn't seem like a great athlete but getting him in the weight room to change his weight a bit will be big. Seems more skilled than Doyle, not quite as athletic, but fits that mold. Looks like he did well at the Adidas Gauntlet event last weekend. It isn't as good as the EYBL but there still are some really good players. By him doing well, it sped up the recruiting process.
It definitely is puzzling why they would take both Teske and Davis at the same time. Both are true 5’s. Doyle and Donnal are both juniors when they get on campus. The every other year recruiting philosophy holds true again. There is obviously something that we don’t know that is going on. If there is no attrition this summer then look for some next summer.
Remember this guys, if you make a mistake, make a mistake with a big. It isn’t questioned as much as a guard would. Did they make a mistake on someone? I guess we will find out soon.
matt d... to your point, beilein seems to be a great TEACHER, where as matta, izzo, pitino, donovan, calipari are great RECRUITERS (and some better coaches than others).
difference is we need lavall and bacari and meyer to sell kids and yet beilein gets final say, other schools using the headman to lead the dialogue with kids… psychologically, thats gotta be a difference in kids minds we recruit or so it seems with the elite guys at least
I think you’re selling Matta, Izzo, Pitino, Donovan, and Calipari short. Beilein might be one of the best teachers in college basketball but teaching can only go so far especially when you run into very talented teams who’s coach is a very good teacher as well.