2022 NBA Summer League Open Thread

Than whom? Smith?

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Banchero is a way better playmaker than Franz, what? The fit is perfect.

It’s really early on but unless neither can guard 3’s the kind of player you’d can imagine Franz and Banchero will become seem to fit together really nicely. Franz takes the tough wing assignments, makes plays on D in help, runs the floor, scores off the catch and off cuts. Banchero is the one getting him the ball off advantages he creates, helps on D when Franz has to stick somebody 1v1. If Banchero can create enough, you end up with a lot of options everywhere else on the floor too.

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I don’t agree at all. Franz is an established young up-and-comer in the NBA and Banchero hasn’t played a game and shies away from contact. Ideally Banchero can become a better fit as a small-ball 5 who nails 3s, rather than lowering Franz’s usage.

Franz had league median usage and assist rate among qualified players and below league average TS%. Hardly a bad performance at age 20 but nothing about that says ā€œah yeah, that guy is a future offensive engine on a good teamā€. His scout coming out of college was jack of all trades, plays well next to everybody. Banchero was ā€œplausible future offensive engine on a good teamā€ and was the number 1 overall pick. We don’t know nothing about Paolo and what we learned from Franz’s first season was ā€œah yeah he might hit to the high side on the kind of player he was projected to beā€.

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Yea it’d be stunning if Paolo has lower usage than Franz this year.

The Magic also badly need a consolidation trade they have so many cooks in the kitchen… Cole, Suggs, Hampton, Fultz, Franz, Paolo, Isaac, Chuma, not to mention Terrence Ross. They go like 13 deep of guys who expect minutes and touches. I guess Houstan Iggy and Moe below could be happy as bench-warmers?

Cole Suggs Franz Paolo Wendell
Fultz Harris Chuma Isaac Bamba
RJ Ross Houstan Iggy Moe

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Well, the ceiling for Franz is offensive engine, and he’s looking most likely to hit ceiling or near it than floor. On a good team? I don’t know. Maybe on a good team he’s a secondary playmaker. Seems right to me. But overall I’d still trust Franz to make the right read more than I would Banchero, who likes to pass instead of finish through contact. IMO his ceiling is offensive engine on a bad team.

I don’t see a few of those guys as anything more than place holders. I think their future is

Guards :

Suggs
Anthony
Hampton
Some franz sprinkled at the 2.

3/4

Isaac
Franz
Banchero
Houston
Chuma

Bigs

Carter / Banchero

A 9 man rotation basically where they go big occasionally at the 2 and small ball at the 5 with Banchero

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Bamba is out if there imo. I do think he’s a break out candidate on a different team.

I don’t think you’ll find many folks who agree with you about either Franz’s reasonable ceiling or Paolo’s.

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Well I think we all agree on Franz’s; he’s had the chance to play in the league for a year. And this’ll be an easier discussion to have in a year. But Banchero’s the kind of prospect where people are so excited about what he can do that they don’t think too much about what he can’t or won’t do. No one will be all that surprised when he’s clearly the latest version of the offense-only big, an NBA stock character.

There’s nothing stock about Bancheros skillet and size combo.

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Very tantalizing. Enough to make you want to forget why he’ll be that stock character.

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I pour stock into my skillet when I make a reduction

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You can put DJ Wilson in the group with Burke and Stauskas as well.17th pick overall still in the NBA and got signed today but 5 years in he hasn’t distinguished himself beyond an 11th or 12th man.

I will just say that I don’t see Paolo and Franz remotely in competition for role.

He was the 3 in roughly 75% of his minutes last year, and was almost never the primary ball handler. Paolo is pretty much a 4/small 5 and will have the ball in his hands.

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Quick take on Caleb Houston: He’s still terrible. He can’t do anything except shoot wide open threes after getting his feet set. As soon as his defender knows that he’s doomed.

Thanks for that. Very insightful!

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Keegan with a steal and three to send it to OT. 6 points in five seconds for the Kings.

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