2018 Recruiting Notes


#1651

If we are out of the picture for Barrett, CC needs to be number one on our list, even if we have one more big on our roster than we usually have. I think CC has the skills to play the 4 anyways. Need him


#1652

It’s one thing to be a rim protector in high school/AAU, another thing for that to translate to high-major college level.


#1653

I get it. EYBL has always tended to be a pretty good barometer. That is the best competition he can play at the H.S. level.

It translates more often than not.


#1654

No proven rim protection, but Teske has potential. 12% block rate in limited minutes.


#1655

Locke has a similar skillset to Brooks and Poole, but the thing is that he’s better. He’s the best shooter in the class, can shoot from a dead sprint, and constantly goes straight up and square. A guy like Beilein would have a tough time passing up a kid that shoots like Locke.

Add in that he’s good enough on ball to be a secondary ball-screen handler, and he’s really tough to pass up. There’s not much separating Currie and Castleton to me - Currie seems worse because he’s younger and committed prior to getting really scouted. I think there’s a significant difference between Locke and Poole/Brooks.

Finally, we have guys on the roster who can feasibly offer rim protection - Davis was one of the best shot blockers in Michigan, and led Class B in blocks for three straight years. Teske did ok in limited time as a shot blocker. I realize that this is “theoretical” but no less theoretical than Brooks’ and Poole’s shoot acumen at the college level.


#1656

With everything that’s gone on in the 48hrs, I would strongly consider holding pat with the Class of '18. There is likely to be a massive transfer market this spring.

Beyond the normal number of Grad Transfers annually available, if this turns out to be a quarter as salacious as the Feds have hinted, you’ll still see at least 2-3-4 major programs placed on multi-year post-season bans, which opens non-grad transfers from those schools an option to switch schools w/o sitting out a year.

If you’re not sold on UM’s depth at Center after this season, dip in to the transfer market for a proven college performer. If you’re concerned about team 3point shooting from Poole and Brooks and Livers and Matthews, inquire in to transfers who have proven an ability to shoot the 3 in college.

Not only could it give UM a more likely instant impact athlete on the roster, it also would likely better space out scholarships down the line.


#1657

Not me. While I’m ecstatic with this class whether or not we get anyone else, if we can get Locke or Castleton in particular, I’d take either in a heartbeat. I’m not worried about spacing over classes–indeed, I’d much rather go after a bigger class this year, because as JB edges closer to retirement, it could get harder to recruit, and that’s not an issue this year when he’s got 3 years left on his contract. I’m not interested in transfers who are going to have to sit a year–we could possibly lose all 5 starters after this season if Mo Wagner and Charles Matthews play great, and I want guys capable of competing for rotation spots right away. And if we have any attrition of our own aside from early entries to the NBA, which is very possible, we’re going to have roster spots to fill via late signees anyway, and going after multiple bodies late isn’t always successful. While it’s always tempting to say bank the scholarship in the hope that there will be a shiny new object late in the game that you can get, I’m in favor of bird in the hand if guys you want are available now. The guys we’re still on–at least Locke and Castleton–are bird in the hand takes to me. With Nunez (or Kennedy if it gets that far), I haven’t seen enough to form a strong view one way or the other about taking either instead of waiting–those are classic “trust the staff” guys.


#1658

I don’t think it’s crazy to project that one of Simpson/Brooks/DeJulius might seek other opportunities, Simpson particularly, if it looks likes Brooks is going to pass him up this season. There are not going to be minutes for three pure point guards starting in 2018-19.

That’s somewhat speculative, and I don’t know that Beilein would feel comfortable over signing by 2 based on that, at this point, but a transfer may very well happen.


#1659

Yea I’d rather take both CC and Locke and let things sort themselves out later and/or send Currie to prep school. Both are high quality players who fit potential needs.


#1660

I don’t know if we can oversign by two under Big Ten rules. You can do it if you have someone entering his fifth year because you don’t have to extend the four year scholarship if you don’t want to, but we have no one like that next year. Dylan?

As for your example, yes, if Simpson gets passed by, he might leave, but neither Brooks nor DeJulius is going before next year; DeJulius won’t even be on campus yet. And from early reports concerning Simpson’s improvement, I don’t think he’s going to be passed up this year.

If we want to take two more guys in the fall, my guess is that we’ll do so if and only if Currie has agreed/will agree not to reclassify to '18 and stays with his original class.


#1661

Yes, word is that X is looking great and could be our starting PG.

Just looking at photos, too, the baby fat is gone, and has been replaced by an 8 pack. That’s a very good sign.


#1662

Brooks can play shooting guard. As a Freshman, Dave might be content to be waiting his turn, as he learns from junior year X…Seems normal to me…

Have you heard that Brooks is likely to pass up x at pg?


#1663

Agreed. People also forget we have a difficult system to learn. A guy who has sat on the bench for a year or two absorbing what we do is far more valuable than a transfer learning it for the first time.


#1664

I have to believe that by Monday we’ll have another commitment, maybe even two. We’re running out of spaces so CC, Locke, Nunez will need to act quickly to grab a spot.


#1665

I think Castleton is a 5 all the way. The reason Wagner has good success driving from the perimeter is because he is doing it against opposing 5’s I think Castleton will be the same and could have a similar career arc…limited minutes as a freshman and then coming on as a sophomore, especially after a year in the weight room.


#1666

Man, people flippantly talking about over signing and “letting it work itself out” are advocating the same stuff you slam Tom Crean and other programs for. Can’t play the virtuous card and they over signing card at the same time.

Personally, I would be disappointed in Coach Beilein if he started SpringCreaning at UM. Pushing Currie to re-reclassify after the staff agreed with him & his family that he should enter the Class of '18 would be another shady form of SpringCreaning.

The scholarship slots for next season are full. It’s all but guaranteed one slot more will come open at season’s end (most likely Wagner’s)… if the coaches want to over sign by one slot with that insider knowledge in place, OK, I’m fine with it. But over signing with out KNOWING a spot will be available, yes, I have an issue with that.

Stepping away from the clean vs Crean item, I also think the options likely to be available in the transfer market this spring will be a better fit for the 2018-19 roster than another freshman who will likely enter school a year + a Camp Sanderson away from being able to have an impact against B1G caliber competition.


#1667

I agree, but he has the skills to play the 4 too. That was in response to people saying we would have too many 5s on the roster. Guys with that kind of length, ball handling, and 3-point shooting can always have a spot.


#1668

Michigan has “over signed” at least several times under Beilein in the early signing period. I believe, they have failed to carry 13 guys on scholarship more than once or twice during that time. I’d have to go back and look at the numbers for both cases, but the transfer stuff works both ways. So many guys are transferring that you have to prepare for it (either to accept transfers or expect transfers).


#1669

I don’t see the Castleton as a four much at all. I get that his HS film is more encouraging in that regard, but what you are in EYBL tends to be a lot closer to what you are in college. To me, in EYBL, he looks like a great shot blocker, coordinated/skilled traditional big man. Nice mid-range jumper, solid moves in the post and potential to be a good roll man. He’s not freelancing with the ball on the perimeter or driving past guys.


#1670

Just for the record, I’m one of the guys who is completely comfortable having four 5’s on the roster. I really don’t want a situation where we have to play a Smotrycz-type at the 5.