When you live that close to a campus, I don’t think visits are indicative of how much a player likes or doesn’t like a coaching style.
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Donnal is probably 50/50 for a 5th year.
Disagree, a notable lack of visits when living in close proximity can be a huge indicator. Obviously the scenario is reversed here, but nevertheless the premise remains.
Ok, so since you’ve admitted to not knowing in this situation, I think we’ll all just go with that then…
Ill say it again, UM on top, OSU right there. MSU is second tier’ish team here. He lives in EL and isn’t going to close a door as a jr in HS. Long way to go.
It’s only 1 weekend but it is a little concerning that Cain had 14 TOs to only 2 asts. I don’t think it is necessarily an indictment of Cain’s overall game but it is certainly something worth monitoring through the spring and summer.
From what I saw of Cain, Young and Poole there is a lot to like and I look forward to see their growth through the AAU season. If those 3 were the core of the '17 class, I think that is a very solid foundation. Of course, I’m sure other names will emerge and I look forward to finding out who the coaching staff will follow.
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Turnovers are a concern, but these kids have not had much time together. I’d also want to know if the turnovers resulted from poor judgement, loose handle or just not being in sync with teammates.
Right…I’m not writing the kid off, but 14 TOs to 2 asts is an issue regardless of the circumstances. Just something I plan on looking at as he plays the next few months. If he’s making aggressive mistakes or was jittery because it was the first event, I get that and don’t hold it against him. I just hope it’s not a consistent issue.
I feel like his game is very similar to GR3’s. Glenn could get to the rim a fair amount off the dribble, could shoot the three (not at a great percentage, but an acceptable one), and was a great athlete and finisher when he got a nice pass near the rim.
Tim, more or less, was similar.
Cain’s handle seems more like Tim and Glenn to me, than Nik or Caris. But I could be underestimating him a little. Either way, I’d gladly take another Glenn or Tim, both of whom were huge pieces on our 2013 and (Glenn only) 2014 teams.
More worried about TO than lack of assists. Cain could have been creating for others just fine and his teammates were throwing up bricks. Besides, X, Poole and a senior MAAR would provide enough assists for the team. But one weekend is a small sample size. If Cain shows a propensity for turnovers every weekend, then there’s a problem. But I don’t get worked up about AAU stats. Guys are playing multiple games over multiple days with short rest and long travel at times.
This is also the fastest, longest and most talented competition he has ever played against. Regardless of his talent, he could still be adjusting. EYBL is no joke.
Cain’s handle superior to GR3 by a healthy margin at the same age, and probably Caris as well. Certainly not on the same level as Nik.
Also, Tim was much more of a shooter than anything else, particularly as a freshman. His game expanded as the years went by. Definitely think Jamal has a better handle than THJ at the same age.
Cain is shooting 2 for 13 from 3 so far, 15%. These events can be tough shooting environments, but so far it seems, as I thought earlier, and along with the Asst/TO numbers, that moving forward Cain needs to continue to working on his guard skills – shooting, passing, ball-handling. For comparison, Young is shooting 33% and has 4 assists and ) TOs. Luckily for Cain JB is a great teacher of these fundamentals.
Some great points there. Through 3 games, it’s pretty obvious why the two are ranked how they are. They both have time to improve though.
Yet you scan twitter and you see person after person saying Cain is going to explode this spring.
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Well, experience is the best teacher. Now that Cain has gotten his feet wet with this level of competition, you hope to see him adjust and learn from what he did well and what he struggled with. With most kids in his position, it’s a matter of less is more. Take better shots, make the simple plays on both ends.
For comparison, Young, who has less physical ability, is the more efficient player at this point. And certainly, Young might have better pieces around him. For some, the idea that Young is more efficient at this point is a red flag. i.e., his ceiling might be lower. I don’t buy that…production is production. Cain has shown flashes that he can score and create, now its about finding consistency and the sweet spot of knowing when to pick his spots. That is where he will make the jump, if one is going to be made.
Well that is a completely different scenario lol. Of course a lack of visits when living that close can be an indicator of lack of interest.
What I’m saying is that there are plenty of instances where a player visits a school without any real interest in the coach and/or playing for that school. There is no way that you (or anyone) can say this doesn’t happen because I know for an absolute fact that it does happen. This may or may not be the case with Johns, but the points is visits do not always mean a player is a fan of the coach.
Let’s see where they are ranked at the end of summer. Even if Cain’s TOs are exponentially higher (which they should be as a player with the ball a lot more), I’m inclined to believe Cain will be ranked similarly, or higher. You simply have to be there in person to truly evaluate. Trust me when I tell you, Cain is a legit talent. His ceiling is very high.
This is first weekend is usually tough for any and all prospects. For some, it’s the first time they’ve played in front of that many coaches. At the EYBL event, they played in some type of terminal, which looked really cool, but the lighting looked awful. Some are playing with a different ball than they’ve ever played with (I’m taking the Wisconsin excuse to another level).
Needless to say, there are a ton of factors that make the first weekend not the easiest to evaluate for coaches. Next weekend is usually better in terms of gameplay because the players are a little more familiar with each other.
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Donnie is who I want if we don’t get Kyle Young. These tweener 3-4 like Nigel Hayes and Draymond are exactly who we should be targeting to play the four. They can shoot and aren’t going to be outmanned by most opposing fours, unless it’s a Swannigan or someone else that big. But guys like Swannigan is gonna outmuscle 95% of opposing fours.