Matt, from the video you’ve been exposed to I would tend to agree with your thoughts. However, Bowen has and will be a guy with the ball in his hands ( sans Davis ) latter in HS. He is deceptive in that area. How that translates going forward remains to be seen. He is very court savvy and a great teammate, willing to share the ball. His handle is very advanced, he’s just not super quick getting to spots, but his size compensates for that when seeing the floor. Hard to predict how his body develops going forward, but he will be a player, no doubt.
I love Dozier, but would rather have Brown.
Numbers-wise, I think we have room for both! Anyway, that’s my vote.
Just to add to the input on Bowen, a high school coach I know here in Michigan who is very familiar with Bowen from high school and AAU competition is extremely high on him as one of the elite players in his class. The coach has a couple of state titles and has coached high D1 players. Can anyone say definitively that Bowen is top ten or not after his freshman year? No. It’s an opinion. Another point on the Brown comparison, Brown was somewhat further along physically in his video from two years ago. Other than that, I see some difference but not that much. And Brown is the #1 or #2 player in his class, not just top 10.
Not sure how you figure we have room for Dozier and Brown in 2015. We have one open spot in that class right now, and we probably won’t know about any others until mid to late April, well after signing day.
Yes, Brown would be a great get, but if Walton leaves early and we don’t get Dozier, where does that leave us at PG for 2015 and beyond? Albrecht, maybe MAAR, and maybe a late signer next spring. Not a disaster, but not exactly championship material, either. Maybe the coaches have bad vibes about Dozier and are exploring other options. That’s fine, but it doesn’t address the PG situation.
Strange that they would take a commitment from Robinson, and only start showing interest in Brown AFTER they’ve filled the spot they might have put him in.
Not sure how you figure we have room for Dozier and Brown in 2015. We have one open spot in that class right now, and we probably won't know about any others until mid to late April, well after signing day.Yes, Brown would be a great get, but if Walton leaves early and we don’t get Dozier, where does that leave us at PG for 2015 and beyond? Albrecht, maybe MAAR, and maybe a late signer next spring. Not a disaster, but not exactly championship material, either. Maybe the coaches have bad vibes about Dozier and are exploring other options. That’s fine, but it doesn’t address the PG situation.
Strange that they would take a commitment from Robinson, and only start showing interest in Brown AFTER they’ve filled the spot they might have put him in.
I think they have to recruit as if LeVert is gone.
You might have missed the snippet Dylan posted about how contact between Brown and Michigan started.
What is intriguing about Brown’s recruitment is how both Beilein and Izzo (and their staff) completely missed the family connection to the #2 player in the class?
What is intriguing about Brown's recruitment is how both Beilein and Izzo (and their staff) completely missed the family connection to the #2 player in the class?
I don’t think that they missed anything. The kid grew up in Georgia. Unless someone makes them aware of the connection, how are they supposed to know?
I love Dozier, but would rather have Brown.Numbers-wise, I think we have room for both! Anyway, that’s my vote.
I’m guessing that they just take one, but they will know on Dozier in a few weeks. If he picks Michigan, they have until the late signing period on Brown. By March, I expect that they will know if anyone is going pro early.
What is intriguing about Brown's recruitment is how both Beilein and Izzo (and their staff) completely missed the family connection to the #2 player in the class?I don’t think that they missed anything. The kid grew up in Georgia. Unless someone makes them aware of the connection, how are they supposed to know?
The same way you and I form an opinion on whether a player is average, good, great, etc…it’s called homework
Homework? You know how many Michigan alums there are? We’re supposed to figure out the kid’s uncle went to Michigan?
Looks like Izzo was “negligent” too, and the kid’s mom went to MSU.
We have plenty of room for two more guys. Levert is gone, Hatch will be moved to medical, Max will not get a fifth year. Easily done.
Why is everything with you a comparison to another school? Nobody said anything about negligence. Point is, with a little digging, the staff could’ve been privy to the fact that Brown had some ties. Now, if it was the case the staff had absolutely no interest in the kid (hard to fathom considering the talent) prior to becoming aware of the ties, then I can completely understand.
Why is everything with you a comparison to another school? Nobody said anything about negligence. Point is, with a little digging, the staff could've been privy to the fact that Brown had some ties. Now, if it was the case the staff had absolutely no interest in the kid (hard to fathom considering the talent) prior to becoming aware of the ties, then I can completely understand.
The thrust of your post is that the staff should have done “a little digging” unless they just weren’t interested in the #2 recruit in the class. You also left out the possibility that Brown was not interested in Michigan. Why did the family choose now to contact the staff?
Homework? You know how many Michigan alums there are? We're supposed to figure out the kid's uncle went to Michigan?Looks like Izzo was “negligent” too, and the kid’s mom went to MSU.
We have plenty of room for two more guys. Levert is gone, Hatch will be moved to medical, Max will not get a fifth year. Easily done.
The kid is ranked #2. It worth a little money to hire a few students to dig out family background of him or maybe all top 20 kid. There are a lot of public information on internet and I am sure that $50 will find his mother is from the state of Michigan and had an East Lansing address. And at this point Izzo should already send a staff down to talk to his mother. Admittedly it may or may not be enough for Beilein to make a move knowing this but if he likes Brown’s game, a phone call to gauge interests does not hurt at all.
Why is everything with you a comparison to another school? Nobody said anything about negligence. Point is, with a little digging, the staff could've been privy to the fact that Brown had some ties. Now, if it was the case the staff had absolutely no interest in the kid (hard to fathom considering the talent) prior to becoming aware of the ties, then I can completely understand.The thrust of your post is that the staff should have done “a little digging” unless they just weren’t interested in the #2 recruit in the class. You also left out the possibility that Brown was not interested in Michigan. Why did the family choose now to contact the staff?
i don’t think that it is necessarily easy to get hold of the staff on the phone. And there must be tons of email from parents and relatives of potential recruits everyday.
To be fair, Brown may not have a very high interest in Michigan or Michigan State, at least not high enough to come up for a camp and or an unofficial visit.
But either way, it feels a bit bizarre that we make such a late move to such a highly ranked recruits because someone from his family called.
Kenny nailed it - very simple…cost/benefit analysis
Honestly, I think the argument is somewhat absurd. The internet is not filled with information about 17 year old kids - it is filled with information about adults because they have things like addresses, jobs, kids, and the like.
Of all the ways to recruit a kid - watching HS ball, AAU ball, getting calls from coaches, prior connections with family (Thornton, for example), doing extensive background research about a kid on the Internet is the about the last way you’re going to spend your time.
Now that the kid’s family has reached out, it seems highly unlikely to me that they will then say, “Well, you should have known about us earlier, so we’re dropping you.” Seems more likely that they now have some interest and want to learn more about the program, and we’ve responded. We’ll see if anything comes of it.
Moreover, if I were a recruit, I’d feel creeped out if a coaching staff learned about me by investigating or “researching” my family on the internet.
Quite frankly, who gives a damn at this point…let’s just hope we get the kid on campus and hopefully we can make a big impression.
Honestly, I think the argument is somewhat absurd. The internet is not filled with information about 17 year old kids - it is filled with information about *adults* because they have things like addresses, jobs, kids, and the like.Of all the ways to recruit a kid - watching HS ball, AAU ball, getting calls from coaches, prior connections with family (Thornton, for example), doing extensive background research about a kid on the Internet is the about the last way you’re going to spend your time.
Now that the kid’s family has reached out, it seems highly unlikely to me that they will then say, “Well, you should have known about us earlier, so we’re dropping you.” Seems more likely that they now have some interest and want to learn more about the program, and we’ve responded. We’ll see if anything comes of it.
Moreover, if I were a recruit, I’d feel creeped out if a coaching staff learned about me by investigating or “researching” my family on the internet.
Come on, how difficult to get the home phone number and address of a kid if you are interested to recruit him. I wonder how coaches makes contact and send recruiting letters.
If I were a recruit, I will expect that my instagram or twitter account are watched very closely.
Agree with MattD. Let us hope that we can get him on campus and make a good impression.
The only reasonable explanation for him being open at this stage is that he and/or his families has some reservations to all his top schools that he has visited. If this is the case, we have a decent shot.
FWIW, UNC is Brown’s “dream school”…in that sense it might not be bad for one of Dozier or Brown to commit to UNC, it would seem our chances with the remaining recruit would increase by default.