Sadly expected after the Robinson commitment. From what I read, the coaches were very high on Robinson as a player, though I cannot speak to why. I think there is still an outside shot with Dozier, especially since he wants to play PG, but I won’t hold my breath.
even if there is a direct link, the coaching staff must view D Robinson much better than most of we would believe. I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Can’t have the benefit of the doubt with me when you make a decision like this.
I’m not usually a stickler for high ranking recruits, but I will take a 4 star player over Duncan Robinson 10/10 times. We are not going to see the effects of this decision for another 1-2 years (if not more), but if we continue this trend of only gaining commitments from what I consider to be low to mid major division talent, we are going to be in for a rude awakening eventually.
The chances of getting Dozier are almost nonexistent. You simply don't give up on Coleman for a guy that is going to be a role player even at his absolute best. No excuses period
It is not about our chance of getting Dozier, it is about whether they have stopped recruiting 2015. If they continue pursuing Dozier but stop recruiting Coleman, either there is something they do not like about Coleman or they think that the chance with Coleman is even less than with Dozier.
I am not convinced that Robinson is more than a role player but if the coaching staff think that he is, I am fine with it for now.
Coleman had his shot, knew entirely what Michigan is about. Has visited other schools.
I don’t disagree with what the coaches did one bit.
Plus kid was/is leaning to ND… Over UM? Toodles…we got a replacement and will fill another SG spot with an elite in '16 IMO.
And Dozier is not far fetched. Get him on campus.
Nothing to do with stars for me, it’s about talent. It is very evident from the film that Robinson is nowhere near as talented as Coleman, who is 2-3 years younger as well. You simply don’t sacrifice A talent of Coleman’s caliber for the likes of a player that is going to be 7-8th man off the bench. That is what you call baffling.
Also, I would fully expect a similar thread could be made about Eric Davis with the commitment of Robinson, as he and Coleman were basically both offered the same spot.
The thought of Robinson as a primary creator makes me cringe.
What is comical is the people who think they can evaluate and project talent better than coaches who hang banners. It is ok to cock an eyebrow and wonder what they see or project, but to basically call them dumb when they have proven they know what they are doing is hilarious. I will take your side of the argument when you attach a link to the photos of the banners you have hung.
C will fill another SG spot with an elite in '16 IMO.
Which was said in 2014 and 2015. I hope you are right.
Part of me feels that the staff is feeling themselves too much with the player development motif.
What is comical is the people who think they can evaluate and project talent better than coaches who hang banners. It is ok to cock an eyebrow and wonder what they see or project, but to basically call them dumb when they have proven they know what they are doing is hilarious. I will take your side of the argument when you attach a link to the photos of the banners you have hung.
Many a coach have had a 5 year span of success and dropped of a cliff. Success is not linear and has to be sustained.
What is comical is the people who think they can evaluate and project talent better than coaches who hang banners. It is ok to cock an eyebrow and wonder what they see or project, but to basically call them dumb when they have proven they know what they are doing is hilarious. I will take your side of the argument when you attach a link to the photos of the banners you have hung.
C’mon man, stop it. I can understand being deferential but this is ridiculous. Nobody, and I mean nobody, the staff included, thinks Duncan Robinson, is or will be a better player than Jalen Coleman. If you want to label me as “basically calling the staff dumb” because of that opinion, then I guess im guilty because in my opinion, at this point in time, that was a very dumb decision. Banners don’t mean that dumb decisions aren’t made. If we’re judging this move independently of PAST success and PAST failures, it appears to be a dumb move, plain and simple.
Coleman wasn’t coming here anyway, rumor was ND, so the coaches finally ended it. Not the end of the world. Sure they could have kept pursuing, but I have to assume they saw the writing on the wall.
What’s really comical is that some people are actually attempting to justify this move. I will say this though, doesn’t seem to be near the volume of “don’t question the staff because they’ve won in the past” type of posts as usual. I think those theorists are even concerned at this point.
Coleman wasn't coming here anyway, rumor was ND, so the coaches finally ended it. Not the end of the world. Sure they could have kept pursuing, but I have to assume they saw the writing on the wall.
Rumor was Chatman to UA. You don’t stop pursuing until the end. You win some and you lose some but you don’t quit or settle. I would rather bank it then take a guy with a max potential as a role player.
I have seen this story before. Give it a few months and realize once again that coach and staff know what they are doing. I really like Robinson’s game, albeit I do hope for someone with Coleman’s skill set. More of a creator is needed if you ask me. Maybe the more the staff sees of MAAR they may think he will be ready to fly as a sophomore.
As much as some of you want to “think objectively” and “success in the past doesn’t equal success in the future”, no one knows what the staff is seeing from the freshmen and maybe they just simply got tired of lingering on with Coleman who was being recruited for 3 years and is announcing official visits to all these other schools now. They want players who will run through the doors. Also, we all try to gauge skills from highlight videos and do not have near the exposure to extended tape as well as live observation these coaches have. I know everyone is refuting you have to trust Coach B, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, BUT in my own opinion you kinda have to trust Coach B and staff with their track record.
Dylan - can we let Ben back just for tonight? Would love to see his take on this…just some comic relief to lighten up the mood
Everybody still on board with the Duncan commit now? You can take me off that train. Really shaking my head at this one. How do you sacrifice Jalen Coleman for Duncan Robinson? I know there will be many that say it was trending in the wrong direction with Coleman, but so what, you hold out for a guy like that, especially if the alternative is Robinson. I really have to wonder what the staff was thinking. No way can this be justified with the "we wanted Robinson" theory.The coaches have said, from Day 1, that they want players who want to play for Michigan. Coleman visited multiple times and had all the opportunity in the world to commit. Yet he didn’t. That’s his loss. Beilein has built a formidable program and if Coleman wants to pass that up for a second tier team like Illinois or Notre Dame, that’s his prerogative. We’ll win without him.
Sure, DRobinson may end up being a step down from Coleman as an individual player. But basketball is a team sport, and if UM basketball over the past 5 years hasn’t beaten that into fans’ heads, I don’t know what will. You don’t need the best individual collection of individual talent - although UM will still have plenty - you need the best team. And if the coaches think Robinson will fit into that team concept better than Coleman, I believe them.
So, because a kid did not commit before his senior year even started or he had taken any official visits it is time to write him off? Recruiting is a business where you sometimes have to fight to the end even if the odds don’t look good. How many people thought we would get Chatman, but the coaches didn’t give up on that one.
Nothing to do with stars for me, it's about talent. It is very evident from the film that Robinson is nowhere near as talented as Coleman, who is 2-3 years younger as well. You simply don't sacrifice A talent of Coleman's caliber for the likes of a player that is going to be 7-8th man off the bench. That is what you call baffling.
I don’t buy the age argument, some peak early and some develop late. The coaches might misjudge in this case but they must have their reasons.
What's really comical is that some people are actually attempting to justify this move. I will say this though, doesn't seem to be near the volume of "don't question the staff because they've won in the past" type of posts as usual. I think those theorists are even concerned at this point.
Matt, I understand you’re very frustrated at this move, and you have valid reason to be. However, to me it doesn’t seem fair to call out the “Beilein defenders” just to rub their noses in this.