Michigan Players in the NBA

After Beilein, Matt should start advising Spoelstra how to coach his team.

With that being said. Herro was just phenomenal. I usually hate all UK players in the NBA, but this may have changed my mind.

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Crazy, if Tyler Herro had went to Wisconsin he’d have been coming off the bench behind Brad Davison this year after his redshirt season. :rofl:

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Becuase Herro was a rookie and was likely abhorrent on defense for most of the season. Let’s not act like this 37 point game is his baseline. He deserves more minutes than Duncan right now but in the regular season it’s no surprise Duncan got more minutes

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Honestly, this is just ridiculous. The reason that Duncan Robinson played more minutes per game than Tyler Herro in the regular season is because he was better in the regular season–his effective field goal percentage was an otherworldly 66.7%, to Herro’s still good 55.0%, and his win shares/48 minutes more than doubled Herro’s (.118 to .050). In addition, the truth is that the average minutes played by both in the regular season were quite similar on a game-to-game basis (29.7 to 27.4), and even that small discrepancy mostly disappears when you consider that Herro’s average minutes per game were artificially lowered by short spurts in games immediately before and after injuries including, in particular, a stretch where Herro missed 15 games in a row. Herro is going to be a really, really good player in the League, he was nothing short of phenomenal tonight, and his upside is clearly far higher than that of Duncan, That said, anybody who wonders why a guy who had one of the best 3 point shooting seasons in NBA history in terms of both volume and efficiency played a lot of minutes can only so wonder if he/she is trying desperately to prove a point which makes no sense.

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It’s weird that he keeps portraying Duncan and Herro is an either/or scenario.

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I wonder if the Heat see Herro as a PG long term. (I usually see him listed as a SG or SF.) Kendrick Nunn didn’t play at all.

Duncan draws so much attention by forcing the D to play up tight. His mere presence on the floor opens up lanes and creates havoc for the Celtics. The game is about winning no it the stats…

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They had Grant Williams mic’d up for game three and when the Celtics were coming back on defense he was just screaming “Duncan Robinson” and pointing out where he was. A Duncan three pointer is legitimately the shot that the other defense most wants to prevent. Can’t imagine why Spo gives him so much run though.

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Matt is not covering himself in glory with these posts. I will leave it at that.

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Someone tell Matt that Duncan was +2 last night and despite scoring 37 points, Herro was -4.

This is sarcasm, obviously, and is a great example of why single game plus/minus is basically useless for evaluating an individual player’s performance.

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The reality is that the either/or here is mostly Herro and Kendrick Nunn. Nunn played 30 mins a game in the regular season, and is out of the playoff rotation with Herro and Dragic mostly swallowing his minutes.

In the regular season, Dragic would be the bench guy coming into the final five in place of Robinson. With Nunn our and Dragic starting, it’s Herro. So while it’s an either/or now, it wasn’t for most of the season.

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The endless topic of Matt (pardon the pun) is a bit tiring, so perhaps this is a useful tangent:

Tyler Herro is almost undoubtedly a significantly better basketball player than Duncan Robinson, and that gap will continue to grow (I think Herro is going to be really good). He has a much broader skill set, and a much much higher upside.

The question of “who plays with these four guys”, however, is often not answered by simply stating who the better player is. Lineups require players to be in roles, and for much of the year, Herro’s superior ball-handling compared to Robinson on a lineup with Dragic and Butler was superfluous compared to Robinson’s superior shooting/spacing.

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I’m sick of this Matt/Duncan stuff on the board. But I do have a legit question…does Matt post a bunch of stuff during NBA games or are these among his only posts?

There’s a big difference between Matt commenting on a lot of players, plays, teams, rotations, etc. and we are cherry-picking his anti-Duncan posts to fuel this discussion versus Matt only posting negative things about Duncan.

Short answer: that’s Matt’s tweet, as you can verify for yourself. He’s having a tacit argument with posters here. Inviting it. He’s a big guy, one assumes he can handle it; it’s all been pretty good-natured.

I went back a week looking at Matt’s NBA posts. He’s made quite a few about various games and Duncan is literally the only player he has criticized. He didn’t just do it this last game. Nearly every post he makes about the Heat is a knock on Duncan.

I don’t think that’s a fair way to put it. After his previous tweet about Duncan from G1 or G2, he followed it up with a tweet saying he played much better D in the 2H. He’s a huge basketball fan and looks like he has multiple tweets about every conference finals game.

Having said that, @mgl’s note about Nunn is correct. Duncan’s minutes both in the regular season and playoffs have nothing to do with Herro. they don’t play the same position. Duncan has been playing 25 MPG in this series which is close to his average. Herro is up to 35 MPG and that’s all at Nunn’s expense, who got a DNP - Coach’s decision last night.

So Matt is definitely wrong here about his comparisons.

If I had to guess, Matt is letting his initial doubts about Duncan creep into his thoughts on Duncan in the NBA. Which is just human nature, although not a great look.

Wasn’t that the single positive tweet about Duncan among a slew of negative ones?

Well he didn’t play well.

Yes I would say they range from negative to neutral. I read your earlier post wrong, I thought you were saying his only NBA tweets are about Duncan.

Ultimately, Duncan’s game is just not one that Matt likes. He likes guys that can dribble and he likes guys that can defend. If you’re just a floor spacer (ala Duncan, Korver) he doesn’t seem to see much value in that.