Horner was a good player and I think a pretty big recruit.
God I’ve been following recruiting for far too long lol
Bob Martin - Minnesota. Back when being 7 feet tall and having a career average of 4.5 PPG got you drafted.
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who is the ultimate “Big Ten Guy” in your mind?
My choice is Chris Kramer
Nice. Definitely someone like him. Prereqs: doesn’t fill up a stat sheet; more strength than speed, leaping, or finesse; four year player; punchable face. I’ll give it some thought
Basically, yes. I’d add “borderline dirty”. Brad Davison doesn’t qualify because he wasn’t borderline.
Wait I’m thinking ultimate Big Ten dude, not guy.
Thanks for clarifying a few posts back 
My (100% made up) criteria between “Guy and Dude” is that a guy cannot make all conference in anything other than defense and maaaaaybe 2nd team all freshman
Aaron White was 1st team all conference and first team all freshman → Dude.
Chris Kramer was 4 time all defense → major Guy.
Same page now. Dude > Guy
Man I had those backwards
Jeff Horner, guy
Dee Brown, dude
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Current: Trey Galloway
Recent: Dererk Pardon
Historical: David Lighty
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Exactly correct.
Lighty a great pull on a guy
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what’s weird about it is it feels like his cultural impact was more that of a guy than a dude. like I truly had not thought of his name since 2015. maybe it’s because they always seemed moderately scary but we frequently beat them so he wasn’t like a tormentor?
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Mike Gesell
Played five years, made all-defense once and nothing else, led the B1G in games played 4x (7th all-time), career 9 ppg…that’s a Guy
that’s a helluva guy
Matt Gatens