but Howard is hitting it out of the park in the transfer market. 3/3 on perfect fits
I guess Nojel Eastern was a foul tip?
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Been half-following this all year bc it was a fun exercise. Season’s not over for Frankie yet ofc but so far
23% USG
48% TS
31% AST
20% TO
2.8% STL
Hit the under on TS% and prob usage tho we didn’t put that one down explicitly and over on everything else. Efficient scoring a lot harder to improve than everything else prob makes sense?
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Dug:
18% USG
46% TS
21% AST
15% TO
2.3% STL
I wish I could just get Dug’s games as a starter, but BR isn’t cooperating. But overall, extremely similar, especially when you consider that the gap in usage is 100% attributable to Collins’ higher TO rate. Frankie is higher assist/higher TO but the ratio between the two is identical between the two players.
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Could use Torvik player stats. Interesting to just look at Dug’s numbers in conference play tho:
18% USG
49% TS
20% AST
14% TO
2.4% STL
Tho not sure I agree that Frankie’s increased usage “comes” from his turnovers. Think he was asked to create for them and that caused more turnovers. If Dug had to handle more of the load for us I think his AST and TOs would’ve gone up and his TS down.
Think probably Dug was a smidge better than the player I feared Frankie would be and that Frankie was likely the better player than Dug.
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Well, he has 5% more usage and 5% more of his possessions are turnovers…so it is, mathematically the gap. We can disagree, about whether they’re his fault!
I don’t think that’s how you would calculate that gap mathematically.
Turnover rate is a percentage of your possessions that are turnover.
Usage rate is the percentage of your team’s possessions that you “use.”
If your turnover rate goes from 15 to 20 it doesn’t mean your usage rate goes up by 5%.
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KenPom has a %Shots metric specifically for this comparison. Dug at 18%. Frankie at 19.8%
Yeah, that doesn’t have turnovers but also doesn’t adjust for “possessions” – i.e. offensive boards. So it is a slightly different calc because of that.
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Think this basically works to illustrate?
Team possessions: 100
Team turnovers: 15
Team shots: 85
Player A possessions: 27
Player A turnovers: 3
Player A shots: 24
Player B possessions: 27
Player B turnovers: 6
Player B shots: 21
Player A shot 24/85 ~ 28% of shots
Player A had 3/27 ~ 11% turnovers
Player B shot 21/85 ~ 25% of shots
Player B had 6/27 ~ 22% turnovers
I saw this thread show up and was wondering if somebody was speculating how things would’ve been if Jones had come back for this season.
I guess, judging from this thread title, it must have been an option.
So, now I’m speculating. I’ll say things would’ve been better. 
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