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I do not want anything to do with Amen. Heās a PG/wing player but he literally is a bad shooter at every part of the half court. I think his shooting % at the rim is at 30% which is terrible considering the league and his athleticism. Plus the league they played in is a joke. Itās basically a next level AAU ball and theyāre 2 years older than the players at OTE.
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wow, surprised #97 was available
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Not sure if this was discussed but what do you all think of the Bey-Wiseman trade? Iām sure mgl is loving Marvin Bagley the Fourth 
Why have wings when you can have every second draft center in the league?
Edit: in all seriousness, I saw reporting surrounding Beyās desired extension number (woah) and if that was the case, it calms me down a little bit. Like, I get dealing him, but I think my opinion of Wiseman is pretty obvious.
Like, heās young, and heās strong, and I think his effort is good. Itās certainly not impossible he can be good, but I think Duren gives you all Wisemanās physical assets and has already shown more aptitude.
Yeah, I can understand the reasoning behind the trade in a vacuum. Weaver thinks Saddiq Bey is who he is at 23 y/o and lacks the athletic ability and skills to be much better than an average NBA contributor. The Pistons are still in the position of acquiring and collecting young talent in the hopes of unearthing a player that really move the needle. Wiseman is 21, athletic, and had some mitigating circumstances that explain his career so far. His potential is much higher than Saddiqās.
The only problem is that we have 4 centers and now two with negative iq in Bagley and Wiseman, and I guess Duren because heās a baby.
Itās my hobbyhorse with Weaver but there is a time to try to assemble a playable team and a time to do the lottery ticket stuff. Wiseman is clearly a lottery ticket, Bey can be part of a team. Like this yearās nightmare quality of play is not all on Troy (Cadeās injury obviously a huge setback regardless of whether you think heās a sure fire star or a possible star), but this roster had some massive extremely obvious flaws before a ball was bounced, and at some point they need to get a roster than can produce an actual 9-10 man rotation, and I donāt think they were close this year - a third (fourth?) center project doesnāt really move that.
So Wiseman isnāt a stupid lottery ticket, but lottery tickets by definition generally donāt pay out. Even if there isnāt a sure fire All NBA guy in the group, I think Cade, Ivey, Stew, and Duren have shown they can play real NBA ball, and itās not nuts to try to get them support to give it a shot, acknowledging you still may need at least one more piece of premium talent.
At 6ā8", Stew is more of a 4. At least as a starter.
I havenāt seen Wiseman yet, but Weaver also talks about wanting a big tall person at the 4 spot, so maybe itās a gamble that he can play next to Duren?
This is Wisemanās Year 3, right? So he will be extension eligible in Fall 2023? What is qualifying offer? Seems likely to be expensive w/ a former #2, and heās done less to justify than Bags. But thatās a long time from now ā¦
If he gets extended, I think it would be for less than Bags got paid.
Iām guessing they donāt extend Wiseman, see how he works out, and heāll then be a restricted free agent, I believe.
Iāve been impressed with him. His defensive awareness is better than I expected and better than Bagley and Duren right now. And heās shown an ability to move laterallly and flip his hips. Offensively, heās very skilled. I didnāt really know much about him so I was expecting another Bagley but I see the potential there.
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I like Duren quite a bit better but Wisemanās offense in Year 3 is better right now.
Long term Duren will be better but he just doesnāt have as much awareness on defense as Wiseman at the moment.
Iām not smart enough at basketball nor have I seen enough Wiseman to talk about his play, but I can tell you that he was statistically a millstone offensively around some otherwise pretty fantastic offensive lineups.
Again my ācomplaintā here is not whether Wiseman is worth a flier (he is) its just that they donāt have a 14 man roster that resembles a playable basketball team, and if they do that again (and this isnāt a step in that direction) we have a pattern emerging.
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Ivey also is no sure thing. His physical tools are obvious. But he was relatively inefficient at Purdue and has been wildly inefficient this seasonāranking 263 in 9 categories fantasy leagues. I see him as a healthy Levert or Clarkson.
What was Beyās desired number?
You probably would be right to begin the season but this is not the case since 2023 started. Heās been efficient and Ivey is becoming more of a sure thing. He has improved leaps and bound as the season goes on and I think heās the 2nd/3rd best rookie so far. Heās been playing really well out of the spotlight.
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Yeah I think the board/people in general are too low on Ivey and too high on Duren, in my opinion.
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