Detroit Pistons & NBA Talk (Part 2)

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Just my opinion but that’s probably selling Paolo short, particularly with his trajectory.

It’s also very Indiana coded of just being really good at a ton of positions when you’re in a market that has no shot of pulling in a superstar.

They’ll have to get smart with their late second rounders to keep adding cost controlled players who can help. Not that they knew it at the time but they could come to regret taking a projection flyer like Jett with one of their last remaining non-late second round picks for the near future.

Just not sure what more Orlando has to lose from this. They’re gonna be good for a while as is. East is open right now.

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Yeah, “the east is bad” is the most obvious thing missing from my vibes based take

I guess we saw a team with three secondary creators and zero primary creators get stuck in the mud all year, I’m skeptical a fourth secondary creator is the answer

They sort of need someone to stir the drink

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I think Banchero healthy is on the cusp of that but those 4 140 mil and no 1sts?? I’m out on that.

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Yeah Banchero may be in the 16-20 range now I haven’t thought that hard about it

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Cuts 2.5 million off of the raise/extension the Grizzlies could give Jaren Jackson Jr.

If they’re willing to part with him, I saw one cap expert propose the following as a sample:

JJJ for Jaden Ivey, Ron Holland and two first round picks (top 4 protected.)

Core going forward would be Cade, Beasley, Ausar, JJJ, Duren (+ Stewart)

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the best thing the magic could do for their long-term success is focus on turning elite high school players into disney adults imo

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That trade might be good from a cap perspective, but that feels really light for a top 30ish player entering his age 26 season no?

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I can never gauge these things but it is two Top-5 picks and two other first round picks essentially. And if the Grizzlies don’t think they’ll be good in the near future, since they just gave up Bane, they may not want to commit to extending JJJ.

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It’s been a minute but Orlando did pull T-Mac & Grant Hill one summer. I think warm weather and no state tax still has some pull.

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It’s a steep price but I’d do that.

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JJJ is a top 15 player, if he’s a top 16 player

He’s not going for that

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I am not a cap expert but I’m confused how this trade reduces what JJJ can be given in an extension? Are we just saying “practically” in order to stay below the tax or apron or something? His extension is dictated by the CBA, he can get the (non-super) max

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Deal would be to give all the cap space to JJJ by renegotiating his contract (taking it from 23.5 to 28mil next year), raising the amount they can give him in an extension.

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Is that not available to them regardless of the trade

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I’m sure that this kind of return for Bane has a lot of people revisiting the Luka trade.

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To me this feels like all in on being the third best team in the east

Which is way better than they’ve been since like Dwight Howard so hard to hate it I guess

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I think probably one of them turns into an All NBA type but I think they need 2 for this trade to make sense.

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The trade cut into the amount.

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You don’t need cap space to extend a player, the amount they are eligible for isn’t impacted by the cap

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Not sure if I like the trade for the Magic. I get their rationale, but that’s a steep price for Bane. They need a PG more than a secondary creator, but they’re probably determined to make Paulo and Franz the primary guys a thing.