Depth and future rotations


#444

I’m confident if Watson stays he will be fine. I know he hasn’t shown it but much like z last year I feel ibi just needs game time minutes to get comfy and he will be ok.

On top of that I see Brooks backing up both z and Poole. Getting 15-20 a game easy and I like him In that role. Eli will thrive next year I have a feeling as the back up combo guard. I love our rotation going forward .


#445

Potentially. And while I tend to think that Johns and Iggy will be ready for minutes right away, it’s not a guarantee. Nor is Matthews being able to play the two.


#446

I’m not optimistic. It’s hard to get minutes when you waste possessions consistently under JB. At this point in his career, Ibi is in a high pressure situation to play well every time he is on the floor because he hasn’t shown much of anything yet. And he will be a junior next year. Tough situation for him. But he’s got Jb’s inclination to play veterans before freshmen early in the season so he may get a chance.


#447

Yeah, If Ibi couldn’t get minutes this year, I’m not sure next year will provide a better opportunity, particularly if Matthews stays.


#448

Well to be fair, he’d have to beat out Poole for minutes this year, who will be starting next season.


#449

True, but this year he really just had Poole to compete with at the backup 2-3. Assuming Matthews is back, he’ll have sophomore Brooks, Iggy, Nunez, maybe Livers sliding down to get Johns minutes at the 4. I also struggle to think of any guards/wings who made an impact under JB after not playing at all their first two years. I guess DJ but (1) he was more of a 4/5, and (2) Chatman and Dawkins transferred, and (3) he was a first round draft pick. Ibi seems like a hard worker and a great guy with athleticism and some talent, so maybe…


#450

Next year “Eli will thrive” and “Watson will be fine?” Based on what?


#451

Homerism to the extreme


#452

I look for Brooks to do well next year too. He is a really skilled player that is going through that freshman adjustment. Remember how bad Teske and Simpson were last year.


#453

He’s much better suited to the 2 than DeJulius. Watson will never be a serious contributor here, and if Matthews and Wagner both stay, he is a likely candidate (along with Davis) to be forced out.


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#454

It’s good to see the time traveling machine to know a player’s entire career still works.


#455

This whole thread is full of people predicting the future, including you. Given that, your snark is really pathetic. But go ahead…keep making the discussion about your personal dislike of me, instead of about basketball. I’m sure everyone loves it.


#456

This is a legitimate prediction:

This is a low effort statement presented as fact with little thought put in:

You constantly complain about ad hominems while making comments like “your snark is really pathetic.” Not good.

Watson is facing an uphill battle. Writing off a guy who can shoot and who has a 45 inch vertical seems like quite an overreaction to him getting beaten out by Poole this year. I’m glad we didn’t decide not to go after Charles Matthews after he struggled while getting beaten by two talented guys for most of his PT. “Oh, that’s a totally different situation” you cry out! Yes, Matthews still got 25% of available minutes. However, he was expected to step in and be a high usage player. The highest expectation of Ibi is “backup 2.”


#457

I really don’t think it’s a hot take to say that Ibi will never be a contributor here… He was a head-scratching offer at the time and he has been very very bad at D1 basketball in all the minutes we’ve seen. Sure, his career isn’t over, but I mean c’mon. We can make educated likely guesses. It’s becoming late early for him particularly with the scholarship crunch coming.


#458

I’ll say it again.

I also don’t really get how he was a head scratching offer. We missed on our plan A’s and B’s so we got him. Yeah, he didn’t play much last year. So what if there’s an injury? Sean Lonergan is gonna be playing 20 minutes a game? Duncan Robinson was literally our only wing on the bench last year. If we didn’t grab Watson we’d have a depth crisis. He was in the exact same rankings clump as Spike and Caris, it’s not like he was going to Grand Valley State if Michigan didn’t scoop him.


#459

Yes, if you’re going to continue to make personal attacks against me, you’re going to be called out on it. Cope. BTW, don’t think it wasn’t noticed that you had no answer to my point that this thread is full of people predicting the future course of player’s careers, and that you had done exactly what you got snarky at me about.

And when you try to make an argument by presuming what I think, and putting words in my mouth that I haven’t said anything resembling, that pretty much confirms that you have no facts on your side. But hey, prove me wrong. Show us an honest, side-by-side comparison of Matthews and Watson.

Watson has had two years on the court, and hasn’t risen above the level of a second tier bench player. He hasn’t shown any improvement over the course of this season, and we’re 24 games in. He’s played a total of 15 minutes in Big Ten games, despite all of our “comfortable” wins. Brazdeikis is coming in next season to compete for the same minutes, not to mention Nunez. I’ll repeat…Watson will never be a serious contributor here.


#460

Who cares if he can stand out on an empty court and hit 3s? College basketball is not a game of Horse. He’s made two baskets in the whole Big Ten season of actual games against real opponents, so that incredible shooting and jumping doesn’t seem to be translating to anything that matters in real life basketball.


#461

One thing I enjoyed most about D.J. Wilson is that he emerged during his junior year. Before that, I can’t recall a Michigan player that went from very low minutes to even a substantial contributor. Hopefully Ibi will be the second.


#462

Can’t believe I haven’t mentioned him yet… Good thing Beilein didn’t send Wilson to a SWAC team after his sophomore year like some posters here would prefer we do with another awkward looking while playing athletic guy.

If you think getting called out on shitty takes is a “personal attack” then the internet might not be for you.

See, this is what I mean. You’re just so wrong about so many objective things. Iggy is a combo forward, Ibi has been playing the 2 this season.

I mean… he’s shooting 37.5% from three on 24 attempts in-game, I don’t know what else you want him to do in the 11% of available minutes that he gets.

If you haven’t been watching for the past half-season, Jordan Poole is very good. We know Beilein likes a short bench. It’s not like Watson got passed by Jevohn Shepherd on a team that plays 3 backup wings consistently.

Some of your rhetoric has been used in the past and looked incredibly dumb in retrospect.


#463

I think Ibi was a decent guy to offer, and I think he’s got potential. But the problem I see is that he already doesn’t play much this year, and next year we’ll be adding Iggy and Johns to the 3/4 mix, both of whom are in all likelihood better players.