College Basketball 2021-22 Open Discussion

Interesting. I have to imagine for some (most?) coaches it has to be frustrating to play the roster games they have to play right now. Still, I am not sure this is the right way to handle things.

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“extremely frustrated with johnny juzang” is the first time i’ve felt any solidarity with mick cronin

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Yeah. Was just composing basically that same exact post. Don’t know how I feel

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Bacot’s big jump in production came last year. Gains this year were incremental. He added a little usage, got fouled more and blocked more shots but gave some of that back by making fewer 2’s. His block rate overall is still pretty meager, so he’s either a 4 who can’t give you any spacing or a 5 who can’t protect the rim and doesn’t have much gravity on the roll. Maybe if you thought he had great feet and could really switch you’d give him a shot?

In any case, neither Vecenie nor DX has him in their mock and Vecenie didn’t even have him on his most recent Top 100 board.

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I think taking a hard line approach with your players during the peak of player empowerment is a dangerous game to play. Like when schools told “committed” recruits that taking another visit voided their offer. Good luck with that approach.

With that being said, this era is extremely difficult on coaches and I certainly don’t envy them. Essentially they have to recruit their own players, the portal, and HS recruits every single day. Managing a roster like that or keeping all of those plates spinning seems like a full time, and likely impossible job. The good news is that if you’re a good coach, a good person, have a good staff, and run a good program then more often than not you’ll be likely to attract and retain players.

I don’t have a solution…but I do think putting in some basic rules/restrictions across the sport may help. I’ve always been in favor of hockey’s “draft-and-follow” approach (baseball’s is okay, but too archaic for basketball). I think a 1-time free transfer but all others are sit-out is fair. I think “testing the NBA waters once” seems legit. Other ideas?

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If centers like kofi, hunter, bacot, and timme are really going stay 4 years in the nil era, it feels like they are now the ultimate prize in high school recruiting. Getting that level of player for that many years is insanely valuable.

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So is the best value: slow but big centers, short guards (PG and SG) and tweener wings and forwards?

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Johnny Juzang to Michigan, who says no? Not even the admissions department, make it happen Juwan.

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Wow. Juwan is ahead of the curve, as always.

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One time free transfer and draft and follow(as long as there was a set timetable in the off season for signings) would solve most the issues imo.

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draft rights would be awesome for CBB. the new setup with Ignite will never allow it though

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I think there are some fundamental issues why the NBA wouldn’t be creative enough to make Draft-and-Follow work…but I’m not sure about Ignite. To me, the key to any draft-and-follow option hinges on a robust minor league system. Up until very recently, the NBA hasn’t had one (and you could debate whether they do now or not). To make it work like the NHL, those Ignite players would be eligible for the draft out of high school and then the player and team could determine whether it made sense to stash them in the G-League for a while or let them go to college for a while.

Look at Michigan hockey - we had a ton of first round picks, some of whom were more ready than others for the league. I think it actually works really well for all three parties - school, player, and pro team.

  • Player - They know who owns their rights, they can talk to that team freely, they can make a decision based on where they feel they are and where their pro/college teams are.
  • School - They get pro players in college, they can talk to the pro team as needed, there is less indecision from the player since they should know where they stand, pro fans might actually watch more college games to see these prospects in action.
  • Pro Team - They can get “free” development from the college without relying only on the G-League, they can stash prospects in college longer until they’re ready or there is a roster spot, they can have access to these players in the summer to help with development, and they probably get some college fans watching the pros to see where their favorite player is going.
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Or they could just get rid of the ignite program which is burning millions and actually partner with college basketball like the nhl, nfl and mlb do with their respective college sports. The tension between the nba and college basketball is hurting both.

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How would all of this affect the college transfer and what influence would the pro teams have regarding this issue.

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That’s a really interesting question.

I haven’t thought it through enough to have a particularly thoughtful answer. But here’s where my head was at…

When you transfer you’re effectively “starting over” at a new place. In some ways that might be a good thing because the new location may give you a better opportunity to showcase a particularly skill or trait so perhaps in that way it does nothing for the wave of transfers.

However, a productive relationship between your pro team and your college coach may also allow you to figure out mutual expectations or ideas and flush those out earlier so there isn’t misalignment. I have no doubt that Mel had a pretty good idea of what the pro teams for his respective players were looking to see for those guys and there were no doubt development plans put in place that were mutually beneficial.

So let’s look at an example with Diabate. Say the Pistons had drafted him and they were really interested in him as a 4 - showcasing some ball handling to get to the paint and some ability to defend wings. He/they would be able to talk to Juwan and see if that aligns with how he plans/needs to use him next year. It would make sure the player knows what they need to work on and is bought in. If Juwan plans to work Diabate in the post all summer to turn him into a center but the Pistons wanted him to become a wing…then the three parties could figure out the best course forward - whether it be a transfer, go pro, or align on the plan for his role at Michigan.

I guess maybe it is going to make players who were drafted already earlier in their careers less likely to transfer because they know they have a pro team watching them. I might not change anything for the lower level players who weren’t drafted and want the exposure of a bigger program.

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I think that creates a slippery slope. Colleges coaches are in the business of try to win conference and NCAA titles for their Universities and not totally placating to what NBA and college players wishes may be. What if the team has an injury and there is no other option but to play the Diabate at the 5. You think the transfer portal is interesting now wait until this possibly happens.

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Don’t test them.

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Few people thought Jordan was ready.

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What did I wake up to???

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