Big Ten Basketball 2022-23 Discussion

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  1. Illinois
  2. Michigan
  3. Purdue
  4. Iowa
  5. Indiana
  6. Wisconsin
  7. OSU
  8. Maryland
  9. Rutgers
  10. MSU
  11. Minn
  12. PSU
  13. NW
  14. Nebraska
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Every once in a while I think about if our lineup this year was JL-TSJ-Jett-TWill-Hunter and get a little sad. Thats unanimous top 10 conference favorite

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MSU 10th with Hoggard-Walker-Akins does not pass da smell test IMO

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Agreed, 12th at best

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When you look at the roster, itā€™s not surprising but terrifying for MSU fans.

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Boutrosā€™s list:

  1. MSU (20-0)
  2. OSU
  3. Wisconsin
  4. Illinois
  5. Indiana
  6. Maryland
  7. Iowa
  8. Purdue
  9. Penn State
  10. Nebraska
  11. Minnesota
  12. Northwestern
  13. Rutgers
  14. Michigan (0-20)
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I genuinely thought I was one of the more pro-Hoggard people on earth, but man the dialogues around him and MSU have me very confused.

His best year, last year, he averaged 7 PPG and 4.8 assists. Heā€™s 10-50 on his career from three point range. His biggest strength as a scorer is arguably getting to the line, where he is a whopping 66-106 (62%) in his college career. His teams are 38-26 in two seasons.

As a freshman he couldnā€™t earn consistent minutes on a team thatā€™s only other point guards were Foster Loyer (lol) and Rocket Watts pretending to be a point guard. As a sophomore, Izzo brought in a transfer PG to start over him, did so the majority of the season even though the transfer was a lot worse than everyone thought, and Hoggard was so inconsistent that even when he started getting a bigger role he never won the job.

Thatā€™s the guy who now is showing up to Big Ten Media Day and saying emphatically ā€œweā€™re the best backcourt hereā€??? And the consensus from fans seems to beā€¦.heā€™s right???

I am absolutely baffled by how AJ Hoggard is seen by the world right now. MSUā€™s backcourt might be ā€œthe bestā€ because they have three solid guys but Iā€™m not sure Iā€™m taking Hoggard over Pickett/Buie/Johnson/Llewellyn/Hepburn and you could talk me into Skyy/Perkins and even Hoggardā€™s own teammates.

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Yeah, the narrative went from Hoggard being overlooked to him being the best guard in the league. Iā€™m not the biggest Xavier Johnson fan, but Ant has been arguing with Indiana fans all day about how much better Hoggard is.

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I think MSUā€™s backcourt being good hinges on having multiple guys. They have like three B+ guys one of whom has A potential IMO.

Even if you like Llewellyn or Pickett or whoever, the depth doesnā€™t really match that.

I think Hoggard will be a high usage guy for MSU, but if Iā€™m MSU Iā€™m not exactly excited about that.

I also just listened to Terrence Oglesby talk about the Big Ten for 45 minutes while walking the dog and am generally a bit on tilt from some of the ā€¦ interesting ā€¦ takes he had in that pod.

To be honest, itā€™s time to play the games. Right now every message board fan is convinced that the five things that need to happen for their team to be good are going to happen. Reality is we have no idea. Some of these things will but some wonā€™t.

So for now we hear about an offense designed around Coleman Hawkins or Big Ten title ready IU or Purdue starting a true freshman PG or Jaelin Llewellyn being the best guard in the conference.

For now they all could be true!

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Hahaha for real. Iā€™m so ready. I generally love TO as an analyst, havenā€™t heard the latest ep youā€™re talking about though.

I just wanna know what a good year looks like individually for Hoggard. Like if MSU is actually 4th in the Big Ten, whatā€™s Hoggard doing? Is he averaging 12 and 7 and still throwing rocks at the rim from deep?

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I just donā€™t get the sense that he watches as much Big Ten basketball compared to other leagues from when Iā€™ve listened to him.

I donā€™t see MSU finishing fourth, so thatā€™s tough. I think that Hoggard will play 30mpg compared to 20mpg though so heā€™ll be billed as sort of a breakout guy throughout the early season. I am not someone who really ever looks at counting stats like that though.

My problem with the Hoggard/MSU situation is that Hoggardā€™s best games, especially scoring, tend to be when shit doesnā€™t work and he just puts his head down and goes to the basket. I donā€™t really see that as good enough to carry MSU to a top third finish though.

I do think he has great positional size, can defend and does make some high level passing reads. They just come with a lot of turnovers as a tax.

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Not a BB list without Mike White. Have to fit Georgia on all lists now. Donā€™t ask me why or how. Those are just the rules.

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The 5 northwestern fans:

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Based on projected final KenPom rating, not Big Ten standings:ā€™

  1. Purdue
  2. Michigan
  3. Indiana
  4. Iowa
  5. Illinois
  6. Michigan State
  7. Rutgers
  8. Wisconsin
  9. Ohio State
  10. Maryland
  11. Minnesota
  12. Penn State
  13. Northwestern
  14. Nebraska
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Fond memories of Rocket himself asking to come of the bench. For the good of the team.

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Lock me in for Buie and Audige as the best B1G backcourt

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Projected final KenPom ranking is new to me but I like it

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Buie and a trash can is better than that backcourt

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Saves me the effort of looking up who has a hard/easy schedule.

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Shooters shoot

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