Seems like arguing about the starting lineup two years down the road is a lost cause. So many question marks…
I think we can all agree that with Simpson, MAAR, Matthews in the rotation, there’s probably a need floor spacer. With Duncan Robinson in the rotation there’s probably a need for some defensive help.
There’s also still a void to fill for defending more traditional power forward. I think guys like Young, Livers, etc. would fill that gap obviously.
Like Dylan says, we’ll see (two years down the line and once Young hopefully commits).
I wasn’t suggesting Duncan would be on the bench. I’m suggesting if we get Young (or Jaren Jackson for that matter), Duncan won’t be playing the four.
In this offseason, I think you’re very likely to see Duncan working on increasing his agility, his vertical, and his quickness, with the thought that he can become more of a wing playmaker. He showed those skills at times last year. I’d say in two years, he’s probably either our starting two or our starting three, and I think MAAR may be coming off the bench in a sixth man role. Just my prediction.
I’m just not sure you can get away with Duncan defending fours. Young looks like he’s got much more length and jumping ability, and a wider body.
This thread is about Kyle Young. Really like those highlights and I think he would be a good option to at least compete for the starting role as a freshman. Would depend on how quickly he picks up offensive and defensive schemes, as is the case with most freshmen. Shows some ability to hit some mid-range shots and definitely has the size to guard bigger 4s.
Moved the Duncan Robinson talk to another thread… Kyle Young seems like a pretty good fit at the four. Not necessarily going to do much off the bounce, but he can pick and pop, hit catch and shoot threes and is a plus finisher around the rim.
I agree. Young is the guy I want the most out of our remaining (reasonable) targets
Same here. I want young pretty badly due to his upside and the fact he’ll be around a few years and be very productive.
Young is perfect stretch 4 that Beilein never had, but I am not optimistic about his recruitment.
You don’t need great shooters to have a great offense. North Carolina had the best offense in the country and shot 32% behind the arc. Michigan had a couple very good outside shooters and couldn’t scrape the top 30. Obviously there are schemes and skill sets of players that can be utilized to have a successful offense without real good shooters.
And there were numerous articles throughout the season about how UNC was an anomaly in today’s game. If you have a dominant big man, are one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country, are one of the best fast break teams, and are also one of the better defensive teams in the country, then you might be able to get away with being a poor outside shooting team.
Michigan is a ways away from having any of those 4 qualities, so it makes sense to have some good shooters on the floor.
I don’t think UNC’s recipe is very easily mimicked. UNC had a pretty unique blend of talent that allowed it to succeed like that. Given today’s game and Michigan’s offense, floor spacing is always going to be critical.
North Carolina had two guys, Paige and Barry, who were good to real good 3 point shooters, and took and made a lot of them. The 32.7 overall % came primarily from two sources–(a) their deep reserves (guys who played under 150 minutes total for the year) were an unbelievable 1-30 from 3 in garbage time (which made UNC a more respectable 34% team from 3 when there was anything on the line); and (b) Justin Jackson, who has never shot even 31% from 3 since he has been at UNC, felt compelled to take 120 3s, making 35, for a 29.2% clip. Add to that the points made by Alum05 and Dylan about UNC’s rather unique roster composition and it seems evident to me that using UNC as proof that teams don’t need shooter to have a great offense seems misplaced.
This is sort of like saying you can win the B1G when you’re a bad defensive team, as Michigan did in '14. That’s surely true if you have one of the best offenses of the last fifteen years. And you surely can have a great offense without great shooters in some circumstances. On the whole, though, best to avoid having bad defenses, and on the whole, offenses, especially in modern basketball, work much better with good shooters and spacing.
He’s “sneaky” athletic imo.not saying you were saying he wasn’t.
Also I’d like Jackson or livers as well with this roster. I have to watch Lawrence again. Can’t remember. I think I’m confusing him and Samuels possibly.
The team that beat Michigan in the national title game only had one good shooter in Hancock and yes he went off in one half but that team in general didn’t shoot it well. Every team is built in a different fashion I guess the question becomes if a guy like Young if he plays the 4 can he guard other 4’s? He has good video but I don’t know if I want to see him guard other 4’s. I have seen Irvin try to do that for the past few years and it hasn’t panned out well. I don’t know if Robinson can play the 4 and guard 4’s maybe we will know more this year. Personally I am ready to move into another direction and with guys like Teske/Davis/Wagner on scholarship this year it might be time to start moving that way. If Young can play the 3 I am all for it if you want him to play the 4 and guard 4’s look in another direction.
I’m not really sure how Irvin’s inability to defend the four relates to Young? Young is pretty much a prototypical four man.
I hope that we get Young, but I will be surprised if he doesn’t end up at OSU.
If so, I wish he would decide quickly so that we could prioritize someone else.
My only question about his offensive game is whether he can use his left hand. Seems like most of his post moves still involved adjusting to his right hand. Otherwise, I love his game.
Can’t speak to his defense, but I don’t assume many similarities between he and Irvin. Zak is a 3, Kyle is a 4 (defensively).
UNC also has like six 5 star forwards on their roster to help them rebound a ridiculous 41% of their misses. When Michigan is able to start recruiting hyper athletic top 25 6’10" centers and power forwards to do that and defend well then let me know. Otherwise I’d say shooting is still vital to the 99% of teams who can’t do that.