NCAA 2019: Michigan vs. Texas Tech Recap

Dylan - thanks for all the great coverage. I know you won’t want to take credit, but building UMHoops up over the years has definitely helped the program rebuild its fan base. Just look at all the comments on this single post. It’s hard to imagine this many people caring about the program ten years ago.

Definitely disappointing end to the season. I wonder if the overseas trip actually didn’t work against them this year. I think it was Brendan Quinn that said the team this past summer in Europe was pretty terrible. With the narrative of Beilein teams peaking in February/March, perhaps they peaked in November and December since they got the season started earlier in some ways.

But if there one thing Beilein has shown through his career - from the two guard offense, to using a 1-3-1, to moving more toward a ball screen offense, to hiring a dedicated defensive coach - it’s his willingness to change and adapt. So I think Michigan fans should have some hope in that regard.

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To conclude it all

I think basing program or full-season evaluations on the results of a single elimination tournament is probably…not wise.

The team was good. Frustratingly close to great.

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The single elimination tournament giveth and it taketh away.

This year’s team got eliminated because of their fatal flaw. Last year’s got to the national championship game despite having a similar flaw (although the scoring of Wagner, Robinson, and Rahk made them a bit different). Fortunately Beilein’s a genius at offense. I can’t wait for his first team that combines a crushing offense with a crushing defense (hopefully next year).

During the Beilein era I think the 2016-2017 team’s final seconds loss to Oregon stung the most. I love the random nature of the tournament though and can’t gripe about it after last year.

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Unless you’re a part of the team, you have no idea what “all of our objectives” were and which ones were met or not. So shut your mouth.

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Regarding Dylan’s “believe it when I see it” about throwing the ball into the post: I don’t interpret that as Beilein planning to change the offensive philosophy, but as a way to attack defenses that switch on screens. In Michigan’s losses down the stretch we saw many times Teske with a much smaller defender down low, only to have the entry pass sail out of bounds or bounce off a defender. I think the coach may carve out a little practice time to drill this skill. When you look at developing counters to the defenses that stopped UM this year, improving entry passes is much lower-hanging fruit than, say, making X a great shooter off the dribble, or developing Livers’ ability to beat his man one-on-one.

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Silly argument. We’re fans. Our objectives don’t need to fall in-line with the team’s objectives; it’s called freedom of thought.

Kind of surprised but the volume of responses/anger my initial post generated. Congrats to those of you who in ten years from now will be able to look back on this season and smile. I truly wish I was capable of living like that. But this season will forever be ingrained in my mind as the season we lost to our biggest (basketball) rival twice with titles on the line and then set an NCAA record for fewest points scored in a first half of a tournament game. I’m not going to remember the “30 wins.”

This doesn’t change the fact I love this program, or Beilein, or how far we’ve come. I’ve already renewed my season tickets for next year. But when you fail to meet three separate objectives (that apparently only I had for the team), ergo, you went 0/3, I call it a failure. Maybe ya’ll are just happier people than I am and capable of living in that gray area. Or perhaps it’s just the consequence of me only experiencing one year of Tommy Amaker.

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Umm yeah your last sentence is a huge part of it. Also sounds incredibly entitled, essentially like a Michigan football fan. And I don’t want my Michigan basketball fandom to turn into my Michigan football fandom, a lot more fun this way.

In 10 years I don’t think I’ll remember a thing about this Sweet 16 game. It helps that I turned it off after Moretti’s 2nd 3 in the half though.

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Maybe ya’ll are just happier people than I am…

That probably sums it up quite nicely. If you can only enjoy seasons that result in championships, you are going to be disappointed more often than not.

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Sounds like you need a little less emotional investment here, my man. Have a kid, adopt a dog, get a goldfish or a cactus or something.

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I completely agree. It’s the reality of sports for me. You can enjoy individual moments or performances, you can enjoy memories you make watching games with friends or winning money wagering on a game, but there’s still an ultimate goal that you strive for. And failing to meet that goal sucks more often than not.

Adding more underachieving elements to your life isn’t the answer. The odds of getting your cactus to win you a championship are poor. Same with the goldfish. Try as it might, there’s some Texas Tech fan out there with a superior goldfish. Cut your losses and stick with following this basketball team, despite its obvious flaws and its unwillingness to deliver the national championship we as fans deserve.

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I feel sorry for you that your happiness is so heavily dependent on college sports.

I’m just going to leave this here. It’s really long, but some of you have come to expect that of me. It is not critical of anyone. If anything it’s a testament to our program through the years.

I appreciate, Slytherin, that you are a huge Michigan fan, and that you love Michigan Basketball. I appreciate and, frankly, envy you that you have the opportunity to be a season ticket holder for Michigan basketball. Thank you for your support of Michigan Athletics and of our sports programs.

Having said that, I’ve been following Michigan Basketball since the early sixties when Dave Strack came to AA. Strack turned Michigan’s basketball program around. I personally had the great privilege of watching Cazzie Russell and Bill Buntin, and their teammates Oliver Darden and Larry Tregoning, though not often as very few games were televised back then. But I DID see them play in person a few times and more than a few times on TV.

Coach Strack led the Wolverines to three consecutive Big Ten Championships, a Final Four appearance in 1964 and the NCAA National Final game in 1965 where they lost to UCLA. We had wonderful players, a great coach, and tremendous success. I was just growing up, a high school kid, I graduated in '65, and I was falling in love…falling in love with Michigan Basketball. It was an absolute joy to be a Wolverine during those glory years.

That’s how I remember those years, as glory years, as being so excited to be a fan of Michigan Basketball, of the joy that I felt being a fan. That 1964-65 team lost to a great UCLA team who won their second of ten national championships that year. We lost to a coach who would become legendary and a team that was building a dynasty.

Great memories, but I don’t remember much about the loss to Loyola in 1964, though the game was certainly memorable. Look it up for yourself. And the 1965 game, as an 18 year old Michigan fan, I was crushed and disappointed at our loss. Today I am just so proud to have been a fan, to remember the FEELING I had going into that game, to look back and say, I was a Michigan man.

Over the decades that I’ve been a devout fan of Michigan Basketball I’ve seen good times and bad. The ride to the 1989 Championship was magical. I went to a lot of games that season. I had a former player whose dad had season tickets literally at midcourt, about 15 rows up, lower bowl, and he gave me his tickets whenever I wanted them. He was a huge Michigan booster but not a basketball fan. He was also one of the most influential members of the country club at which I was the privilege of being assistant pro. So my son and I, sometimes friends of my son, too, saw some great basketball that year. And THEN, the National Championship year in 1989! Oh my goodness, it was GREAT to be a Michigan Wolverine, to borrow a phrase.

Glen Rice, Terry Mills, Rumeal Robinson, Loy Vaught, Mark Hughes, Sean Higgins, Mike Griffin, what a team! Rob Pelinka was on that team, too. Wow! And we’d wait in the tunnel after the games and my son got autographs just like he had gotten the autographs in the years before of Gary Grant and Garde Thompson, all heroes to a young boy Special times for a dad and a son!

I also suffered through the depths of depression during the scandal years, the abyss. It had been so fun and exciting during the Fab Five years, but it all came crashing down. As Michigan fans we had to painfully endure that. That, too, was crushing. And it lasted a LONG time.

I went through the painful Brian Ellerbe years, and I was there for all six years of Tommy Amaker, not just that 22-13 NIT early exit disappointment year that you “experienced.” I thought Tommy would be our savior, that he’d lead us back to the promised land, but he didn’t. I did admire Tommy, though. He brought dignity and respect back to Michigan. And his firing led to the hiring of John Beilein. And now a glorius new era has begun and we are in the midst of it.

Why am I saying all of this? Because I think 30 years from now, hopefully even in ten years, you WILL look back and have great memories of this basketball team and these players, these wonderful, exceptional young men, who don our uniform and play their hearts out for Michigan. I hope you’ll have memories of these terrific young men who represent our university so well and with so much class. We are in the midst of a great run in Michigan Basketball led by John Beilein. I hope you’ll remember X and Charles and Iggy, and Isaiah and JP and John Teske, “Sleep.” At least I sincerely hope you do. And I hope those memories give you great joy and pride, as my memories of Michigan Basketball have for me. Those times may not, probably won’t, last forever.

It’s only been a few days now since that lost to TT, and htough disappointed in the loss, I already have great memories of this team. And I have memories of over fifty years ago, too, of the sixties, and of that young lad who fell in love with, and grew up with Michigan Basketball, and of everything it means to me, raising my son to love Michigan basketball, being with him at Crisler, and of how much THESE kids and THIS coach mean to me. I hope you can cherish these times. I know I do. These are GOOD times to be a Michigan Basketball fan. I wish you well my friend, my fellow MICHIGAN fan! Go Blue!!!

Sorry to all who took the time to read this, for the length of it, but I hope it had some meaning for you, from a little old Silver haired Michigan man and former basketball coach, dad, and lover of Michigan Basketball.

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Love this. We DO have wonderful young men in our program. EVERY ONE of them. I can only say, as a long time former basketball coach, if my son had the talent to play at this level Michigan is where I would want him to be. Thanks for positing this! Go Blue!!!

2017 really stung bad. They might have been playing better than anyone at the end of the season and had so much offensive firepower. At their peak, that might have been JB’s 2nd best team (2013 was probably better).

Weird year because they were mediocre for so long that year and then just exploded.

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Hey Silverblue,
I really appreciate having you on this forum. Thanks for continually finding ways to make all posters and their differing points of view feel like they belong here. There are a lot of viewpoints I disagree with, but I like reading them. Sometimes they even change my perspective. It is the diversity of the people on this forum and their relative respect for each other’s opinions that makes it truly special.

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Absolutely the best forum out there. I really do respect everyone on here. I have occasionally been a little snarly, but sometimes that’s when I’m just being overly sensitive. This is a great place to be for a Michigan fan with VERY knowledgeable input no silliness like some forums!

And THANKS for your comment! I appreciate it! Go Blue!!!

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Some of you are pretty rude. God forbid that we don’t all agree on stuff! Some of us are disappointed with how this season ended. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Some of you prefer to always be the “sky is blue” with this team. We should all be able to get along. When your team starts 17-0 and was ranked #2, and then proceeds to blow 3 second half leads against your main rival, that’s tough. And then barely scores 40 in the Sweet 16? But no, some of you need to bring out the “mgoblue” card and “articulate” why people are wrong. What the hell.

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We can disagree, but calling the season an “abject failure” when your reasoning literally contradicts itself in both directions is simply a bad take. I mean…isn’t your post “articulating” why my post was wrong? What the hell.

I’d rather be rude to people who act like our players are there to serve them and fulfill their psychological need to attach to a winner. People who say inflammatory stuff that our players’ parents feel the need to respond to like this:

I’d rather be rude to people who think our players somehow wronged them, when in fact our players have given everything they have to this program we love and are hurting more than they even realize.

These are kids giving their best. It’s not the “mgoblue” card…it’s the human card.

So, to be clear, you called our season “tough”. I agree. I would also agree with the sentiment that we didn’t accomplish our main goals. Using words like “abject failure” crosses a line (based on the associated connotations for the parents and players per those tweets above) that I, for one, am going to defend.

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