No answer then? It just seems like a pretty massive hole in the “criminal not to call a timeout” argument when the period given had multiple timeouts. All I’m asking is what is the difference between using one of those to try to make adjustments vs. calling one himself?
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Yes, play on. Otherwise, guys would kick off a shoe to stop play.
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You could be right, just pointing out some very very smart coaches, who have spent their lives doing this, and have been really successful, and who have been really big brain thinkers continue to call timeouts. I like stats and am simultaneously suspicious of most stats, particularly newly developing statistical takes. I think often a lot gets lost in initial analysis. I mean, I had people trying to tell me a catcher’s defense in baseball didn’t matter. That was always patently insane, and lo and behold, they’ve started including pitch framing in the newer defensive metrics, when I had baseball ref folks telling me it didn’t matter. But it does! I mean, these people flat out were disregarding a catcher’s defensive ability overall and now we value something as specific as framing. Which anyone who played knew mattered all along.
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Good point!
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I answered above, but I’d also have to look back at exactly what happened when. There’s a difference between “a run is starting” and “everyone on your team looks terrified, no one wants to shoot anymore and everyone is clearly confused.” There’s a difference between a run happening and a run happening that threatens to end a game because your team is just mentally breaking. My impression is that things were maybe not great when the tv timeouts happened but nowhere on the level of the walls are crumbling that we were seeing when everyone here was screaming for a TO.
Agree…and it was the culmination of multiple bad plays. He was bad Johns tonight and then he does the shoe thing. You can fiddle with it when they are taking it out of bounds. As soon as your man passes you, throw the shoe and get into the game. Maybe if he’s playing well you don’t bench him for it. Maybe if the guy misses the shot you bench him for a bit. But it was the combination.
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Couldn’t agree less. We’re a community of individuals and not a community of clones. Please respect that reality.
(And maybe reflect on whether you’re really living up to your no negativity rule if you’re being critical of people simply because they’re being critical)
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If I develop some sort of tinnitus caused by incessant whistles being blown in the arena, would I sue the Big Ten, or specific individuals?
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not hoops related but there is a Range Rover commercial currently in circulation which blasts a ringing tinnitus noise for absolutely no reason (not that there even could be one) and it is the most frustrating shizz ever. I am boycotting Range Rover
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At last, we have someone focused on practical next steps to take point forward. Thank you.
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Really interesting debate here about timeouts gents. Thanks.
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So I just watched the last 4 minutes. My pick up run is Wednesday nights so I put the phone down and went into the game in disgust. Checked after and saw we had won and then watched the end. What the actual **** was that game. Don’t really care though, a win is a win and the starters are good and the refs can smd
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I am also boycotting Range Rover
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I’m also boycotting Brandon Johns. Not because of the shoe thing which I wasn’t even mad at him for, but everything before it
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Can’t wait for him to start off Saturday 2-2 with a monster dunk and a no-hesitation catch and shoot 3
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I really only have one other thing to add:
If I never see Paul Szelc officiate another Michigan game, it will be too soon. I ran the numbers: his presence makes virtually no difference in Michigan’s chance to win. I don’t know that he’s any better or any worse than any other ref. But he was at the game where Beilein got tossed, and he’ll never wipe that stain from his résumé in my opinion. I’m not sure if we know which ref called the Ts, but I don’t care. They’re all complicit – if your officiating was so bad that John Beilein lost control, no more need be said.
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I missed the timeout debate but for the record I think timeouts are overrated and I hope that they take one or two away from the coaches.
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I do think this may at least put him at an inflection point? If Brandon wants to play any significant minutes here ever again, I think it’s put up or shut up time. That doesn’t mean all his shots have to go in, but no more sub par stuff on the mentality front.
if he wants to make all his shots that’s cool too though
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I was quite specific on what type of negativity I was talking about 
If you don’t think it’s worth reflecting on that’s fine. Last thing I want is conformity, especially because arguments and conflict is how you develop your ideas.
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