I personally thought he was great until the players he actually played against had retired out of the league. and maybe he was more lucky than good. hard to know
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Yeah I mean he traded for two HOF players who were in their 4th and 6th seasons and not really well-regarded by their teams (Ben, Chauncey)
Great scout?
Luck?
Probably both?
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two of the best MLE signings ever. Stack-Rip trade also brilliant.
then again he would have given Tim Thomas the max.
not sure what else you do with your cap space when Gordon and Villanueva were available. I thought Gordon was a good signing, but not Charlie V.
Itâs hard to know the extenuating circumstances surrounding Karen Davidsonâs mandate when Joe was the GM. I know that Joe tried to time the end of the era to continue to stay on top with the Billups trade.
The end of his tenure was not good, but the way he built the Going to Work Pistons was brilliant. Weâll see if he learned from his mistakes.
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And there were the rumors of trying to trade for Boozer around that time but that Mrs. D nixed it. Booz had some good years with the Bulls after that but I donât know how the team as a whole wouldâve been.
But, imagine if that trade for Kobe had gone through, instead of getting squashed at the last minute. Joe may still be the guy here.
I think they were both trades
Wallace and Chucky Atkins for Grant Hill
Chauncey for Zelko Rebraca
Rip wasnât that awesome a scout/eval he was what he was before they got him
The Rasheed trade - Atkins and a first rounder - obviously great but Sheed was seriously devalued at that point (good on Joe for recognizing he could be rehabbed)
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Chauncey was 1000% FA
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I mean, obviously his best chance of extending the era was to get a good player with the #2 pick and managed to select the one guy in the top 5 who wasnât a HOFâer
The Iverson trade was his second crack, but oh well
His free agency acquisitions thereafter screamed âdoesnât get it anymoreâ
Itâs funny to so astutely identify the issues with building around an iso ballhog like Stack, and then years later acquire Ben Gordon and Josh Smith in the same offseason
Not trying to diminish him, flags fly forever
But heâs a bad hire in 2025
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Ah shoot youâre right
I saw Rebraca in the Toronto trade and got confused
Ben Gordon and Charlie V, not Smith. Smith was years later
The reported trade Dumars wanted to make that got nixed during the sale of the team involved Tyson Chandler for Rip Hamilton. This was right before TC put his injury problems behind him and became good starter. The lineup would have been Chauncey, Stuckey (who might have benefitted from being off ball), Prince, Sheed, and Chandler.
The Wallace/Atkins was a sign and trade for Hill. There was talk about signing both those guys, anyway but I think it was more beneficial to do it as a S&T once Hill made it clear that he was leaving.
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Orlando still drawing dead but Mosley maybe finally realizing his options at point guard are totally useless and he might as well lean into playing huge.
Like, one thing itâs probably good to take DARKO and BPM seriously on is guys they think are terrible. Joseph is not worth playing.
Not sure Bitadze is actually an upgrade on Carter but heâs certainly doing things.
Pistons fans couldâve told him because he was their tank commander along with Hayes, Wiseman and Bagley lol
Feel like this is a real Why Steve Why game. I get that you suddenly have to fill in Jimmy minutes but emptying the bench and going to weird zones instead of, like, just playing Kuminga is odd.
Why is Quentin âPostâ out here banging threes smdh
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Houstonâs Chaos lineup is my favorite thing in the NBA outside of basically any OKC defensive possession
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Which lineup is that?
Basically anything with both Thompson and Eason, and probably Brooks
Most common is those three with Sengun and Green
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