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Nate and Danny noted that Ausar blew a lot of layups and got knocked off his platform going up more than they expected when they watched the film.

When you have Cade and Jaden, it does matter. Weaver better hope that both can shoot 40% from 3 pt or the spacing will be cramped for the team.

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Pretending like who these guys are going to be is locked in stone is wild to me. Itā€™s not at all obvious thereā€™s a single star on this Pistons team, Ausar or not. Such is the crapshoot of having a bunch of young guys.

So worrying about fit with any of these guys is equally silly.

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Everyone keeps yelling at me Cade is an elite shooter

It just seems like youā€™re trying to have it both ways

His shoot matters because heā€™s not the lead creator like the guys I mentioned, but people will go under screens on him when heā€™s in pick and rollā€¦which sounds like creating.

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Shooting was 1A on Cadeā€™s expected strengths based on every second of his basketball career up until his injury-ridden two years in Detroit. I get that he hasnā€™t done it yet in the league. But it would be very surprising if that doesnā€™t work itself out.

Ivey shot 38% on 7 attempts from three per game without Cade for the final 12 games of the season. Small sample size yes. But heā€™s a long way away from his ceiling and already on a good track.

They need to both be healthy but they both project to be quality shooters IMO.

I noticed it when watching Ausar. Heā€™s a bad finisher at the rim.

Also, Ausar shot 36.7% when itā€™s at halfcourt with an effective FG of 43.6% which is Killian Hayes like numbers. He shot 51% at the rim but his layup was 40.5% which is a terrible number. At half-court, he shot 30.4% at pull-up jumper. Teams treated him as a non-shooter and basically begged him to shoot.

His numbers are all ugly. Itā€™s bad, bad, bad

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I do think Cade and Jaden project as an above average shooter. Iā€™m not worried about them.

If youā€™re not worried about them, why are you worried about Ausar? You donā€™t need to have 5 shooters on the floor at a time to have a good basketball team

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He shot 56% from the floor, why does this have it at 37%

Those are his halfcourt numbers.

I just have a hard time taking too much from half court OTE numbers. I get that 40% on half court layups isnā€™t crazy good, but it is less than 40 shots.

The sheer volume of transition stuff in the OTE games makes me skeptical of any of the numbers in many ways.

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Itā€™s being propped up with transition shooting %. I donā€™t see the Piston being a transition team.

Because Pistons roster still lacks shooting. I am not confident in his ability to succeed with the Pistons and the fit is awful IMO.

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30% of Thompson twins teamā€™s offense was in transition. Thatā€™s more than any CBB team. Itā€™s a very very different game.

again, weā€™re discussing fit on a 17 win team with literally 0 sure things (other than maybe Killian is out of the rotation)

And man, with Ivey and Ausar on the team itā€™d be a serious shame if they didnā€™t try to run

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Gonna see if I can get an answer from somebody about what they think of the OTE numbers. Genuinely curious how useful they can be and how youā€™d know if they are.

Just very weird to be so focused on fit over talent when you just finished a season with the worst record in the NBA

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I have a hard time taking anything at all from it. I think the Thompsons benefited from an air of mystery about their games. FOMO. I donā€™t get the rock solid certainty that thereā€™s a higher ceiling here and that it is reachable. Hendrix was my guy and there was no reason to believe his ceiling was absolutely and significantly and terminally lower. Hendricks already has a coherent skill set that maps perfectly to a very desired player in the NBA. Closing your eyes and imagining the gaps in Thompsons skillset being filled looks plenty nice, so hereā€™s hoping he can get there.

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The Thompsonā€™s were on radars pre OTE so itā€™s not like the OTE stuff is why they are highly ranked. it just adds mystery

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Yeah, OTE just preserved their stock.

Their upside is that they are the most athletic guys in the draft. Feels pretty simple.

Someone like Hendricks is easy enough to pencil in as a stretch four, sure, but I do think they are lower upside. Like the best case is Jaren Jackson? And that feels like a stretch to me.

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What youā€™re suggesting happened isnā€™t what the scouting reports that big boarded them exactly where they ended up read like.