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Lyles delivers minimal contributions.

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Interestingly, he and Kelly Olynyk had the highest +/- on that team.

Not saying he was the best player, but I think the things he can do (shoot) are in desperately spare supply anywhere else on the roster (ditto Kelly, who I think is an actually good offensive player).

Iā€™ll just say that Lyles just carried 18 mins a game of pretty good hoops for a good team this year.

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Interesting.

Iā€™m a results now guy. Itā€™s time to stop tanking and start getting better. Guys like Lyles arenā€™t a huge difference in terms of wins and losses, but they are guys who can play a role and put more on the table than they take off it. Guys that can contribute to winning, even if at a minor level. Heā€™s not an everything bagel but you need a few in the bag with just poppy seeds or sesame seeds. And you donā€™t need any of the frickin blueberry whole wheat quinoa bagels in the dern bag. You take your two or three everything bagels and you surround them with a few poppy, a few sesasme, a few onion.

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Yeah, I mean, Iā€™m just saying heā€™s a guy who is a UFA who wonā€™t cost much who can play 15 minutes of decent hoops at position where the other options are a tumbleweed and a cardboard cutout of a 4. Iā€™d much rather see them go after Grant Williams (who Iā€™m slowly deciding is my Ultimate Signing for them)

Stew
Williams
Bojan (TRADE HIM)
Ivey
Cade

Hayes (barf), Duren, Livers and uhā€¦Burks? Is he still here? (edit: he is! pick up that option!)

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I agree generally with what youā€™re saying, though I am specifically out on Grant Williams. Yuck. (Also willing to acknowledge this is probably an emotional response driven by being a non-Celtics fan living in Boston.)

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Iā€™m in on Grant Williams.

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Still yuck.

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I donā€™t follow the contract/age angle of a lot of these guys. Is there a reason we actually donā€™t want Bojan on the roster? Isnā€™t he an asset to our younger guys?

I guess I just donā€™t know what you trade him for at this junctureā€¦hoping you can give some clarity as of now (not what we should have done at the deadline).

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Heā€™d start on two of the conference finalists and 6 of the 8 semi finalists

There is a market for him

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I agree there is a market, because I think heā€™s a very good player. But what is that market? What is the ideal return? Iā€™m genuinely asking your opinion (which I value) as right now he seems like an ideal piece around the young guys we have :man_shrugging:

A good first round pick? 2 iffy ones?

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Yeah, thatā€™s what Iā€™d guess as well - and I personally would rather just have his archetype on the floor as Cade and Ivey grow. Maybe that means we get peanuts if things are still rough a year or 18 months from now, but Iā€™d take that chance to try and get a few more wins with legit NBA scorers alongside them.

You could package Bojan and the 31st pick to move into the early 20s. There are a few teams in that range that are in win now mode.

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Heā€™s a really efficient 21 point a game scorer who doesnā€™t need the ball in his hands and can play respectable D at the 4 (not the 3)

The Heat, Suns, Mavs, Sixers, Warriors would murder for him

Heā€™s like a good Harrison Barnes

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Trading Bojan to get an extra pick this year would be a nice bit of business. Also that depth is soooo thin and a really good reason theyā€™ll almost certainly be bad even if Cade and Ivey show a lot of promise. People always forget just how many minutes there are in a regular season.

I think my preferred means of ā€œsolvingā€ that is tracking down some actual lottery tickets (aka Not Wiseman) who will play hard and get up 3ā€™s. They def need Burks to just keep the engine going when Cade isnā€™t in.

Also kinda like the idea of them trying to take Poole off GSWā€™s hands. People will prob hate this but see above re: regular season minutes. Not sure they can really make that attractive to the Dubs, who could use Poole but maybe donā€™t have the tax bill freedom and locker room situation to keep him.

If the goal is making the playoffs, Jordan helps. I think heā€™d be pissed to be a bench guy

NO POOLE. Please.

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I think you could just start all 3 and staggered minutes + regular season bumps and bruises will get where you need to go. Itā€™s hardly a perfect fit, but itā€™s a team that doesnā€™t have anywhere near as many answers as it needs and Poole could be one.

Plus cmon who doesnā€™t want to see JP torture Beilein for the rest of his career.

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Jordan the Unrepentant. First of his name. Terrible idea. Arenā€™t you a Bulls fan? You take him.

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